They also slaughtered a massive group of innocent people. We have our faults but we don’t massacre people.
I’m seeing a lot of “in America” qualifiers on assertions about Jews here, as though Germany were on Mars, instead of right over thataway, and the place that these nuts still consider their Fatherland.
The way I read the thread, Jews weren't the only ones the alt-right is willing to eliminate. From that perspective, My Lai, while not state sanctioned, is an example of a massacre at the hands of American citizens. William Calley's life sentence was commuted to 3 years of house arrest by Nixon. Trump would have given him the Medal of Honor.
I read the first comment as a discussion of why Mormons have had it worse than Jews. Threads get tricky to follow here so if I jumped a queue somehow I apologize.
Doctrinally not true on the subhuman claim, though past actions may have seemed that way. Definitely yes on the conservative bloc. Meh on the white supremacy. We have pockets like any religion or cross section of society but it's not the church as a whole - even in the US.
From the 1850s to the 1970s, Mormon officials taught that black people carried the "curse of Cain," were ineligible to be ordained or to receive temple rites, were fit only to be "servants of servants," and that all of this was "not my policy or the Church's policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it."
The essay creates better context for the following statements:
In 1970 a Salt Lake Tribune article said, “President David O. Mckay of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was quoted Wednesday as saying as early as 1954 that ‘There is no doctrine in this church and there never was a doctrine in this church to the effect that the Negroes are under any kind of a divine curse.’
When Spencer W. Kimball became prophet of the Church, he said, “I am not sure that there will be a change, although there could be. We are under the dictates of our Heavenly Father, and this is not my policy or the Church’s policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it, and I know of no change, although we are subject to revelations of the Lord in case he should ever wish to make a change.”
Bruce R. McConkie said the following: "Forget everything I have said, or what . . . Brigham Young . . . or whomsoever has said . . . that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world." [Bruce R. McConkie, "New Revelation on Priesthood,"
They also slaughtered a massive group of innocent people. We have our faults but we don’t massacre people.
I’m seeing a lot of “in America” qualifiers on assertions about Jews here, as though Germany were on Mars, instead of right over thataway, and the place that these nuts still consider their Fatherland.
Maybe, Kim, you aren't old enough to remember My Lai.
I’m 65. I’m not sure what Jews had to do with My Lai, though.
The way I read the thread, Jews weren't the only ones the alt-right is willing to eliminate. From that perspective, My Lai, while not state sanctioned, is an example of a massacre at the hands of American citizens. William Calley's life sentence was commuted to 3 years of house arrest by Nixon. Trump would have given him the Medal of Honor.
I read the first comment as a discussion of why Mormons have had it worse than Jews. Threads get tricky to follow here so if I jumped a queue somehow I apologize.
LDS are a key bloc in conservatism and white supremacy. They believed Native and Black people were subhuman
Doctrinally not true on the subhuman claim, though past actions may have seemed that way. Definitely yes on the conservative bloc. Meh on the white supremacy. We have pockets like any religion or cross section of society but it's not the church as a whole - even in the US.
From the 1850s to the 1970s, Mormon officials taught that black people carried the "curse of Cain," were ineligible to be ordained or to receive temple rites, were fit only to be "servants of servants," and that all of this was "not my policy or the Church's policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it."
Context matters. Your statements above may not all be from the same person or originated from the same conversation.
Also, we are talking policy vs doctrine.
Read the following for better clarification:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
The essay creates better context for the following statements:
In 1970 a Salt Lake Tribune article said, “President David O. Mckay of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was quoted Wednesday as saying as early as 1954 that ‘There is no doctrine in this church and there never was a doctrine in this church to the effect that the Negroes are under any kind of a divine curse.’
When Spencer W. Kimball became prophet of the Church, he said, “I am not sure that there will be a change, although there could be. We are under the dictates of our Heavenly Father, and this is not my policy or the Church’s policy. It is the policy of the Lord who has established it, and I know of no change, although we are subject to revelations of the Lord in case he should ever wish to make a change.”
Bruce R. McConkie said the following: "Forget everything I have said, or what . . . Brigham Young . . . or whomsoever has said . . . that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world." [Bruce R. McConkie, "New Revelation on Priesthood,"