Just asking: Do the anti-birth certificates understand that denying their babies birth certificates dashes any hope for them to receive government benefits? You know, like Social Security, Medicare, SNAP, Medicaid, schools, some sports, traveling outside the US, etc. I guess they are taking "off the grid" pretty seriously; that or they are just too stupid to see the long term impacts on their kids. I go with option 2.
Did not read this in great detail. The names Loomer/Wohl and Fishback set off my merde detector and while I am sure it was fine writing I was not in a sufficiently self destructive mood. Proud to say 2 decades without social media (of any flavor/type/agenda) my proudest accomplishment.
Once AI takes over, it's going to get even more stupid as people lose the ability to process thought and think for themselves. We're at least halfway there already.
Regarding "no birth certificates". I am a retired nurse-midwife and family nurse practitioner, and I served many home birth couples over my 40+ years of practice, as well as practicing in hospital and birth center.
Early on, in the mid-70's, many people did not want birth certificates filed. This was to a certain extent due to the Vietnam War ... I however was supposed to file. What I did was filled it out and left it with the family to be filed. Some did and some didn't. But after 5+ years of practice, I had increasing numbers of couples contacting me for a "delayed filing". Sometimes these were long-delayed, as in the case of the 18 year old who wanted to spend a few months in Europe and needed his birth certificate to get a passport and visas.
Things do change for people as time goes on... so many varied experiences with my birthing people in those years!
The horrible things that can happen to a stateless person is another one of those facts that it probably never occurred to anyone to teach in schools, because after all, who could be that dumb? Now we know. Good on your for at least always filling out the paperwork.
Your 18 year old was lucky. Imagine if, instead of wanting a passport, he and his friends had driven over the border into Canada for an afternoon, been waved through, and then been checked when they tried to re-enter the US, especially under the current regime.
Thank you, Will. It's tough keeping up with the horribleness of who these characters are and what they are doing. I applaud you for keeping an eye on them and sharing your discoveries with us.
They're morons. I mean they're not living in the real world. There are YouTube channels made solely on sovereign citizen court hearings. I'd never heard a judge tell a defendant to "sit his ass down, now," before I watched a few of those court videos. 😮
Re the 23 and Me results: I’ll bet you anything he has African ancestry. I’ve taken the test and your genetic ancestry is laid out clearly. You’d be surprised how many white Americans living in the South have African ancestors. Just goes to show that race is a human construct and genetics don’t give a shit about one’s skin color or moronic beliefs about how one’s skin color creates magical powers over others. 🤦♂️
Fishback probably saw what everyone who does those things sees, that there is -- at a minimum -- 1 percent African ancestry. Black people and some other ethnic groups, of course, show much more. But everyone shows at least 1%. Needless to say, it's because the human species originated in Africa. But acknowledging the fact of human evolution is probably equally untenable to these losers.
Generation Z (and Alpha) MAGAs are often the worst kind, even worse than their elders, because their elders at least spent most of their lives exposed to media other than X, "Truth" Social, Gab, and wherever else these people congregate. Yes, much of the older generations' media exposure was to Fox News. Yes, the Facebook Boomer (or Xer) is a real thing (and it's got a #Resistance variant too). But these people do have some memories and life experiences of a time before the eighth circle of Hell broke open and flooded the Internet. Gen-Z doesn't. This is all they know. That, IMO, is why they are the most extremist, most ill-informed, and most historically ignorant of all MAGAs.
My thoughts exactly. The same people who demand voter ID, which is typically a birth certificate, now claim to despise birth certificates. Of course, Trump doesn’t think voting should happen at all so maybe these seemingly inconsistent beliefs are consistent after all. And isn’t voter ID really just to make sure democrats are disenfranchised?
“Not getting a birth certificate is a great way to keep your child from having to pay taxes.” Yeah, cuz they won’t have able to get a job if they don’t have a Social Security number (which I’m sure these people are also opposed to), which requires a birth certificate. So I presume all these kids are going to be self-employed. Cool. (And I thought one of the (misinformed) complaints about immigrants was that they don’t pay taxes!)
Imagine the anger at their parents when the kid without a birth certificate wants to do something like: proving identity, citizenship, and age for major life events like getting a passport, driver's license, Social Security card, enrolling in school, or getting married.
Will, how do you keep your sanity working in this area? You do have a wonderful ability to just kind of go, "Well, that's something new" or "Haven't seen that one before" while understanding that there will be something even crazier the next day. Well, at least you'll never run out of material.
Thanks Will
So much helpful information
Just asking: Do the anti-birth certificates understand that denying their babies birth certificates dashes any hope for them to receive government benefits? You know, like Social Security, Medicare, SNAP, Medicaid, schools, some sports, traveling outside the US, etc. I guess they are taking "off the grid" pretty seriously; that or they are just too stupid to see the long term impacts on their kids. I go with option 2.
Will, love reading your commentary, as always.
Did not read this in great detail. The names Loomer/Wohl and Fishback set off my merde detector and while I am sure it was fine writing I was not in a sufficiently self destructive mood. Proud to say 2 decades without social media (of any flavor/type/agenda) my proudest accomplishment.
Were you on vacation in Jan, Will? Missed your content.
Once AI takes over, it's going to get even more stupid as people lose the ability to process thought and think for themselves. We're at least halfway there already.
Regarding "no birth certificates". I am a retired nurse-midwife and family nurse practitioner, and I served many home birth couples over my 40+ years of practice, as well as practicing in hospital and birth center.
Early on, in the mid-70's, many people did not want birth certificates filed. This was to a certain extent due to the Vietnam War ... I however was supposed to file. What I did was filled it out and left it with the family to be filed. Some did and some didn't. But after 5+ years of practice, I had increasing numbers of couples contacting me for a "delayed filing". Sometimes these were long-delayed, as in the case of the 18 year old who wanted to spend a few months in Europe and needed his birth certificate to get a passport and visas.
Things do change for people as time goes on... so many varied experiences with my birthing people in those years!
The horrible things that can happen to a stateless person is another one of those facts that it probably never occurred to anyone to teach in schools, because after all, who could be that dumb? Now we know. Good on your for at least always filling out the paperwork.
Your 18 year old was lucky. Imagine if, instead of wanting a passport, he and his friends had driven over the border into Canada for an afternoon, been waved through, and then been checked when they tried to re-enter the US, especially under the current regime.
Thank you, Will. It's tough keeping up with the horribleness of who these characters are and what they are doing. I applaud you for keeping an eye on them and sharing your discoveries with us.
They're morons. I mean they're not living in the real world. There are YouTube channels made solely on sovereign citizen court hearings. I'd never heard a judge tell a defendant to "sit his ass down, now," before I watched a few of those court videos. 😮
Re the 23 and Me results: I’ll bet you anything he has African ancestry. I’ve taken the test and your genetic ancestry is laid out clearly. You’d be surprised how many white Americans living in the South have African ancestors. Just goes to show that race is a human construct and genetics don’t give a shit about one’s skin color or moronic beliefs about how one’s skin color creates magical powers over others. 🤦♂️
Fishback probably saw what everyone who does those things sees, that there is -- at a minimum -- 1 percent African ancestry. Black people and some other ethnic groups, of course, show much more. But everyone shows at least 1%. Needless to say, it's because the human species originated in Africa. But acknowledging the fact of human evolution is probably equally untenable to these losers.
Generation Z (and Alpha) MAGAs are often the worst kind, even worse than their elders, because their elders at least spent most of their lives exposed to media other than X, "Truth" Social, Gab, and wherever else these people congregate. Yes, much of the older generations' media exposure was to Fox News. Yes, the Facebook Boomer (or Xer) is a real thing (and it's got a #Resistance variant too). But these people do have some memories and life experiences of a time before the eighth circle of Hell broke open and flooded the Internet. Gen-Z doesn't. This is all they know. That, IMO, is why they are the most extremist, most ill-informed, and most historically ignorant of all MAGAs.
The one good thing that comes from not getting a birth certificate/SSN is that those kids will not be able to vote in the future.
My thoughts exactly. The same people who demand voter ID, which is typically a birth certificate, now claim to despise birth certificates. Of course, Trump doesn’t think voting should happen at all so maybe these seemingly inconsistent beliefs are consistent after all. And isn’t voter ID really just to make sure democrats are disenfranchised?
Yep.
Thank you, Mr. Sommer.
“Not getting a birth certificate is a great way to keep your child from having to pay taxes.” Yeah, cuz they won’t have able to get a job if they don’t have a Social Security number (which I’m sure these people are also opposed to), which requires a birth certificate. So I presume all these kids are going to be self-employed. Cool. (And I thought one of the (misinformed) complaints about immigrants was that they don’t pay taxes!)
They're not capable of critical thinking skills. 🥺
Imagine the anger at their parents when the kid without a birth certificate wants to do something like: proving identity, citizenship, and age for major life events like getting a passport, driver's license, Social Security card, enrolling in school, or getting married.
Thanks Mom and Dad for screwing things up.
Will, how do you keep your sanity working in this area? You do have a wonderful ability to just kind of go, "Well, that's something new" or "Haven't seen that one before" while understanding that there will be something even crazier the next day. Well, at least you'll never run out of material.