I'm willing to give Tim and Sam the benefit of the doubt, considering how raw all of this is. But I agree with you that it's totally asymmetric. Unfortunately I don't see an off-ramp.
I'm willing to give Tim and Sam the benefit of the doubt, considering how raw all of this is. But I agree with you that it's totally asymmetric. Unfortunately I don't see an off-ramp.
Like I said I understand why they are doing it. ItтАЩs almost subconscious because they know that republicans will not turn down the temperature. They will not stop calling for violence. So they hope that if one side does it it will help our politics but we have seen for 10 years it wonтАЩt.
There has been no president in my lifetime that has done more to try and bring down the temperature. He is so apolitical. He barely uses trumpтАЩs name. What has the response been? Republicans just make up more shit and continue to increase the temperature
Falsehoods and the threat of violence are now the Republican brand, because the MAGA component thrives on it. It's hopeless to expect it to change until Republicans are trounced again and again at the polls.
I know. Shit I donтАЩt. They have been losing for like 6 years and they still arenтАЩt changing. Honestly IтАЩm at a loss for what to do but always expecting dems to fix things may feel good to say but isnтАЩt the solution.
Leros, this is exactly what I wanted 4 years ago. To have Biden retreat from the public to take down the temperature. To not make the presidency into reality tv. He has done this admirably. He has had tons of opportunities to go on attack (his impeachment, the debt ceiling, the debt cliff, his son being forced to testify to congress, conviction of his son, the Paul pelosi incident, trump trials, trumpтАЩs rape case, trumpтАЩs fraud case, etc). He has suffered in popularity with his base because they donтАЩt see him fighting. I thought that doing all this economic populism in red states instead of doing structural reform.
I can say I was wrong. The only way to cause change is to do power politics. Maybe if he did this we would still be here. But taking down the temperature, or at least trying too, has failed.
Obama is partially why we are here (not his fault at all). Flowery beautiful speeches make some of us feel good (me included) but they havenтАЩt worked
It made sense after the insanity of Jan. 6 for Biden to try to take down the temperature. After all, part of his narrow Electoral College victory (and it was narrow-we should not fool ourselves into thinking otherwise) was reasonably thought to be due to Biden's appeal as a "normal" President. But it's clear in retrospect how wrong that view was. All it did was give MAGA time to regroup and have the rest of the non-MAGA Republican lapdogs fall in line to save themselves from being primaried out of office. Hopefully we have learned the lesson you suggest: only power politics works.
I'm willing to give Tim and Sam the benefit of the doubt, considering how raw all of this is. But I agree with you that it's totally asymmetric. Unfortunately I don't see an off-ramp.
Like I said I understand why they are doing it. ItтАЩs almost subconscious because they know that republicans will not turn down the temperature. They will not stop calling for violence. So they hope that if one side does it it will help our politics but we have seen for 10 years it wonтАЩt.
There has been no president in my lifetime that has done more to try and bring down the temperature. He is so apolitical. He barely uses trumpтАЩs name. What has the response been? Republicans just make up more shit and continue to increase the temperature
Falsehoods and the threat of violence are now the Republican brand, because the MAGA component thrives on it. It's hopeless to expect it to change until Republicans are trounced again and again at the polls.
I know. Shit I donтАЩt. They have been losing for like 6 years and they still arenтАЩt changing. Honestly IтАЩm at a loss for what to do but always expecting dems to fix things may feel good to say but isnтАЩt the solution.
Leros, this is exactly what I wanted 4 years ago. To have Biden retreat from the public to take down the temperature. To not make the presidency into reality tv. He has done this admirably. He has had tons of opportunities to go on attack (his impeachment, the debt ceiling, the debt cliff, his son being forced to testify to congress, conviction of his son, the Paul pelosi incident, trump trials, trumpтАЩs rape case, trumpтАЩs fraud case, etc). He has suffered in popularity with his base because they donтАЩt see him fighting. I thought that doing all this economic populism in red states instead of doing structural reform.
I can say I was wrong. The only way to cause change is to do power politics. Maybe if he did this we would still be here. But taking down the temperature, or at least trying too, has failed.
Obama is partially why we are here (not his fault at all). Flowery beautiful speeches make some of us feel good (me included) but they havenтАЩt worked
It made sense after the insanity of Jan. 6 for Biden to try to take down the temperature. After all, part of his narrow Electoral College victory (and it was narrow-we should not fool ourselves into thinking otherwise) was reasonably thought to be due to Biden's appeal as a "normal" President. But it's clear in retrospect how wrong that view was. All it did was give MAGA time to regroup and have the rest of the non-MAGA Republican lapdogs fall in line to save themselves from being primaried out of office. Hopefully we have learned the lesson you suggest: only power politics works.
Yep. It sucks too. Trying to do the right thing but your opponent just sees it as weakness.
The fundamental problem for dems in power politics is that because of the senate and the court they are the weaker party.