No need to listen but this analogy only works if we were winning in the 3rd quarter. We are losing and then he threw a catastrophic interception. So in that situation…yeah sometime the coach makes a change
No need to listen but this analogy only works if we were winning in the 3rd quarter. We are losing and then he threw a catastrophic interception. So in that situation…yeah sometime the coach makes a change
Please make it make sense Tim. Half of this Country truly believes that Trump is being persecuted for being President, they don’t believe a single indictment is valid and Jan 6 was a day like any other. They are hopeless and are the only reason we should rethink the idea of asylums. We also know people are creatures of habit and would prefer someone they know (cause let’s not forget they aren’t paying to anything atm) to someone they don’t, and they aren’t even tuned into Trump and his BS yet. So to actually win this game, it’s your belief that we switch out a man whose had a great 4 years (over one night) and pluck out a random Democrat (to the majority of Americans, the Democrat you choose will be no one to them) and in your heart believe it’s how we win the game? Make.it.make.sense.
Agreed. If the game was tied and the QB just threw an interception, you’d be incompetent as a coach if you didn’t at least CONSIDER bringing in your backup. It’s not an obvious decision that pulling him increases our odds of beating Trump, but it would be irresponsible to dismiss the idea without considering it.
Nick Saban benched the QB who got Alabama to the national championship game. Because it wasn’t about Jalen Hurts or Tua Tagavailoa. It was about Alabama beating Georgia.
Why the blind loyalty to Biden? I will vote for whoever the nominee is. So will all Bulwark members. But we only win the election if the undecideds can be convinced, and we need a better QB to do the job.
None of us in this chat are in danger of switching our votes or staying home. We can debate among ourselves about the best course of action but we’re all committed to Team Democracy. Tomato Can and all that.
The panic we feel this weekend is about how what we imagine the impressions of undecided voters to be. Because they - or, more accurately, a few hundred thousand of them in about 5 specific states and 2 districts - will decide this election.
And on a fundamental level, speaking only for myself, I don’t understand how those people think. I can’t understand how anyone could look at Trump and be undecided about the proposition that he offers. Because to me he is a totalizing figure. You either want the autocrat or you don’t.
So at every turn, I am at pains to guess about how they will react to any piece of news and how it might impact their votes. And the debate on Thursday was an acute moment of such. Painful as it was, my vote doesn’t change. But wondering how Deb and Rick in Lansing, MI received it is the source of my most urgent concern.
So getting as much reliable data as possible to help give us insight into how undecided voters processed the debate, that should probably be the foundation of our (productive, open, democratic) debate on the question of whether or not it would be best to make such a radical intervention as an open convention.
Additionally, Trump lost voters last night. He was awful. There are people who watched that last night who said, “Oh yeah, I hate this f*cker.” In instant polls he dropped like a stone with his abortion, Jan 6, and “free and fair election” responses. I guarantee you that last night was his best and it was like an abattoir. Because he’s a psycho liar.
Let’s wait a week to see if last night moved the needle with swing voters. I watched his rally. My bet is everybody will be so hopped up on Monday’s immunity ruling that this conversation will have receded considerably.
I’m a Democrat, not an NT. My loyalty is to Democratic presidents.
There’s nobody in the alleged “bench” who has been vetted and has national name recognition except Pete and he’s occupied.
If POTUS ever steps away from the race I’d throw my support and money and love and energy behind Candidate X but only Biden can beat Trump. They poll even head to head in binary polls. The VP is out of the question. We can’t get a white woman elected here. Misogyny and racism won’t allow the VP to win.
Having had a great presidency is not enough. If it were, Biden would be destroying Trump in the polls. But he is losing. To turn the tide, we need to persuade undecided voters that it's been a great presidency and that Trump is not an option, but Biden doesn't have what it takes to do that any more.
Gavin Newsom has been auditioning for the past 3 years, and he's been very good. Gretchen Whitmer is governor of a state Democrats must win, and she will likely have appeal in nearby states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Or Josh Shapiro if we can't get a qualified woman without baggage elected.
There is no way that Newsom would not step up if Biden agreed to step aside.
Whitmer won Michigan. Michigan is between Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. If the Democrat wins those 3 states and Nebraska 2, then Trump is defeated forever.
After witnessing the debate, what is the argument for Biden besides he’s had a great presidency? Because that great presidency has not convinced voters, if the polls are to be believed. This is going to require persuasion, and Biden is not capable of doing that.
No need to listen but this analogy only works if we were winning in the 3rd quarter. We are losing and then he threw a catastrophic interception. So in that situation…yeah sometime the coach makes a change
Please make it make sense Tim. Half of this Country truly believes that Trump is being persecuted for being President, they don’t believe a single indictment is valid and Jan 6 was a day like any other. They are hopeless and are the only reason we should rethink the idea of asylums. We also know people are creatures of habit and would prefer someone they know (cause let’s not forget they aren’t paying to anything atm) to someone they don’t, and they aren’t even tuned into Trump and his BS yet. So to actually win this game, it’s your belief that we switch out a man whose had a great 4 years (over one night) and pluck out a random Democrat (to the majority of Americans, the Democrat you choose will be no one to them) and in your heart believe it’s how we win the game? Make.it.make.sense.
Agreed. If the game was tied and the QB just threw an interception, you’d be incompetent as a coach if you didn’t at least CONSIDER bringing in your backup. It’s not an obvious decision that pulling him increases our odds of beating Trump, but it would be irresponsible to dismiss the idea without considering it.
Nick Saban benched the QB who got Alabama to the national championship game. Because it wasn’t about Jalen Hurts or Tua Tagavailoa. It was about Alabama beating Georgia.
Why the blind loyalty to Biden? I will vote for whoever the nominee is. So will all Bulwark members. But we only win the election if the undecideds can be convinced, and we need a better QB to do the job.
Exactly right. I want to unpack that a bit…
None of us in this chat are in danger of switching our votes or staying home. We can debate among ourselves about the best course of action but we’re all committed to Team Democracy. Tomato Can and all that.
The panic we feel this weekend is about how what we imagine the impressions of undecided voters to be. Because they - or, more accurately, a few hundred thousand of them in about 5 specific states and 2 districts - will decide this election.
And on a fundamental level, speaking only for myself, I don’t understand how those people think. I can’t understand how anyone could look at Trump and be undecided about the proposition that he offers. Because to me he is a totalizing figure. You either want the autocrat or you don’t.
So at every turn, I am at pains to guess about how they will react to any piece of news and how it might impact their votes. And the debate on Thursday was an acute moment of such. Painful as it was, my vote doesn’t change. But wondering how Deb and Rick in Lansing, MI received it is the source of my most urgent concern.
So getting as much reliable data as possible to help give us insight into how undecided voters processed the debate, that should probably be the foundation of our (productive, open, democratic) debate on the question of whether or not it would be best to make such a radical intervention as an open convention.
Oops, Newsom came out with a fierce endorsement of Biden an hour ago and said people wanting to dump him are bad.
🤷🏼♀️
“Besides he’s had a great presidency?”
That’s more than enough for me.
Additionally, Trump lost voters last night. He was awful. There are people who watched that last night who said, “Oh yeah, I hate this f*cker.” In instant polls he dropped like a stone with his abortion, Jan 6, and “free and fair election” responses. I guarantee you that last night was his best and it was like an abattoir. Because he’s a psycho liar.
Let’s wait a week to see if last night moved the needle with swing voters. I watched his rally. My bet is everybody will be so hopped up on Monday’s immunity ruling that this conversation will have receded considerably.
I’m a Democrat, not an NT. My loyalty is to Democratic presidents.
There’s nobody in the alleged “bench” who has been vetted and has national name recognition except Pete and he’s occupied.
If POTUS ever steps away from the race I’d throw my support and money and love and energy behind Candidate X but only Biden can beat Trump. They poll even head to head in binary polls. The VP is out of the question. We can’t get a white woman elected here. Misogyny and racism won’t allow the VP to win.
So that’s why.
Having had a great presidency is not enough. If it were, Biden would be destroying Trump in the polls. But he is losing. To turn the tide, we need to persuade undecided voters that it's been a great presidency and that Trump is not an option, but Biden doesn't have what it takes to do that any more.
Gavin Newsom has been auditioning for the past 3 years, and he's been very good. Gretchen Whitmer is governor of a state Democrats must win, and she will likely have appeal in nearby states like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Or Josh Shapiro if we can't get a qualified woman without baggage elected.
And Whitmer has 12% name recognition and Shapiro is Jewish. You think a Jew is getting elected right now?
And I’m a Jew, so you don’t need to be offended on his behalf.
There is no way that Newsom would not step up if Biden agreed to step aside.
Whitmer won Michigan. Michigan is between Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. If the Democrat wins those 3 states and Nebraska 2, then Trump is defeated forever.
Newsom isn’t stupid. He knows that would be a political death sentence for him.
“Blind” feels…pejorative.
After witnessing the debate, what is the argument for Biden besides he’s had a great presidency? Because that great presidency has not convinced voters, if the polls are to be believed. This is going to require persuasion, and Biden is not capable of doing that.
Except dude’s also the coach.
You are so good. You just make my day.