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Lewis Grotelueschen's avatar

So Trump's own Attorney General testifies to Trump's claims of voter fraud being "all bullshit." I could refer you to a library shelf of books of other things Never-Trumpers "have." But we all know nothing will penetrate.

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Frank Lee's avatar

I am going to guess that you have read none of these books that are my most recent on my Kindle...

Woke Racism – John McWhorter

Hate Inc. – Matt Taibbi

Merchants of Doubt – Naomi Oreskes & Erik M. Conway

The Big Picture – Sean Carroll

Lying – Sam Harris

Clock Work – Mike Michalowisz

The Four Agreements – Don Miguel Ruiz

San Fran-sicko – Michael Shellenberger

The Real Antony Fauci – Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Leading with Gratitude – Adrian Gostick & Chester Alton

The Alchemist – Paulo Coelho

Pandemia – Alex Berenson

Cynical Theories – Helen Pluckrose & James Lindsay

Liberalism in Dark Times – Joshua L. Cherniss

The Righteous Mind – Jonathan Haidt

The Roots of American Order – Russell Kirk

The Parasitic Mind – Gad Saad

Nudge – Richard H. Thaler & Cass R. Sunstein

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Lewis Grotelueschen's avatar

And I have an Ivy League PhD. So what? I've seen enough of your comments to understand that you have no interest in good faith discussion. You let on how well read you are. But all we get from you are hackneyed concepts like Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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Frank Lee's avatar

That explains quite a bit. I know many, many people with prestigious academic awards, and very few of them do I consider strong critical thinkers. Most of them are myopic in their thought patterns and miss the big picture. That makes sense since they had delayed their launch into the real world to focus on generally one academic discipline. They end up working for me. I hire and fire PhDs from Ivy League schools more often than you probably do any work with your hands.

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Lewis Grotelueschen's avatar

So I just sold my herd of cattle because I am no longer fast enough to evade a cow protecting her newborn calf. And I still farm a few acres on the side. And I spend a lot of time on the shop floor of my business. But this must all be a lie because the expert in critical thinking checked his meager inventory of mental concepts and couldn't find that such a creature could exist.

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Frank Lee's avatar

An Ivy League phd and a rancher? Well that is sure common.

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Don Gates's avatar

I’ve read or listened to about half of those. You actually read Lying by Harris?

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Frank Lee's avatar

Not yet. Just downloaded a few days ago.

Also forgot to include Coming Apart - Charles Murray

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Don Gates's avatar

You're aware Harris thinks Trump is trash, and a large part of that is due to his prolific lying?

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Frank Lee's avatar

You can be critical of Trump and still have valid and important opinions. As long as your hate of Trump does not dominate and corrupt your thinking apparatus, you can add value to the conversation.

I was never a Trump fan in the primaries, and I cringe when I hear his speaking style. But to denigrate him as a liar and narcissist is hilarious given:

1. All establishment politicians are narcissists, and most are fundamentally dishonest in serving their own wants.

2. Trump was the most transparent and open POTUS since Teddy Roosevelt. He just said what was on his mind. And we had decades of exposure to him prior to his entry into politics. It was never a surprise for who he was... so why then do you and others pretend it is a surprise?

3. It was the agenda behind Trump that I supported and still support. I can tolerate a bad personality getting it done... especially given the need today.

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Don Gates's avatar

Still waiting on those tax returns from the most transparent and open POTUS since TR. And the White House visitor logs. And it's funny how the most transparent president since TR never would allow anyone but a translator sworn to silence into his meetings with Putin, while Putin would roll into those meetings deep. Oh then there was the thing about payments to the porn star and Playboy model he made during his campaign that he was totally upfront about, and which put his fall guy into prison for 3 years. Then there was the part where he was totally upfront in concocting a tale about adoptions as the purpose of a meeting between his son, son in law, and campaign manager and Russian agents in which they were actually there to receive dirt on Hillary Clinton. And on and on and on.

And I'm not sure why you think any of us Never Trumpers are surprised by who he was and is.

This is why you are an object of wonder. You say things like Trump is very transparent and open.

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R Mercer's avatar

That's because he believes whatever Trump and his surrogates tell him because (wait for it)... it is the narrative he WANTS.

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