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MillennialExistential's avatar

You can already see this brutality playing out with DeSantis. He's pushing to both expand the death penalty to other crimes, and to make it so death penalty cases no longer require a unanimous jury verdict.

If we don't reverse this trend asap, we're going to end up in a very dark place.

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hrlngrv's avatar

Perhaps oversimplified: Trump is a PROVEN incompetent authoritarian while DeSantis is a presumed possibly competent proto-totalitarian. Trump wants to defund the FBI, while DeSantis wants to establish a Florida Bureau of Thought Police.

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suzc's avatar

I am surprised at the power and authority given to a governor, for heaven's sake, to interfere in every aspect of public and private life in the state (in this case, Florida)! Just as I think executive action needs to be reined in, relative to what's been called the Imperial Presidency, I cannot imagine why a GOVERNOR should be allowed to control EDUCATION, for instance, or corporate values or even, heaven forfend, voting rights! And it only seems to happen in Red States. It may be time for the public, so called, to stand up and say, NO! to governors and SCOTUS and other such irrational and oppressive entities.

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rlritt's avatar

We might have to look towards businesses. If the policies infringe on businesses they will either close or move to a more open state

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Travis's avatar

We can't reverse this trend, because it has served as the cultural identity of American conservatives since the Vietnam days of hard hats versus doves. It will always be about rugged individualism and toughness for American conservatives. It is hardwired into their DNA and is expressed through their politics as an inevitable downstream consequence. Hard hats, war hawks, ditto heads, tea baggers, MAGA. The line of evolution is so clear. This is why these people don't see wealth inequality or social inequality as a problem. They have no empathy for others. They just want to tell people that they should accept inequality as a consequence of personal action, because in their head institutionalized injustice doesn't exist. American conservatism since Vietnam can basically be boiled down to social indifference as an identity marker.

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R Mercer's avatar

The whole rugged individualism is such BS, frankly. It is the province and mindset of the truly clueless.

Are there some (US) people around who could survive if you dropped them in the middle of nowhere? A few, maybe. Even trained survivalists would have a hard time without having some starting gear and clothing to start with... clothing and gear that they (in all likelihood) did not make.

I used to watch a show called Alone (not sure if it is still running).

TBH, it was a fairly boring show. It mostly consisted of watching people slowly starve to death while on the way to a psychological collapse from being... you guessed it, alone.

In all of the seasons I watched, I do not think anyone lasted the entire time--but luckily it was a last man standing contest.

Even small injuries (by modern standards)could take you out of the contest (and not because they forced you out, but because you could not actually survive and you sat-phoned for them to come save you).

A majority of people simply collapsed psychologically--particularly those with families. They literally could not handle being alone. It destroyed them.

And most of the contestants were actual survivalist types,

It WAS pretty educational though--about some survival things, but mostly about human psychology.

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suzc's avatar

I wonder how they did in the pandemic lockdown.

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R Mercer's avatar

Most humans handle isolation VERY poorly. As Aristotle observed in his Politics--man is a political animal--by which he means that our need and desire for community/socialization is innate and central.

That is why there was so much resistance to lockdowns and the closing of social spaces--because the digital space pales in comparison--it does not actuallymeet the needs of people for socialization nearly as well as being in the company of actual people.

The survivalists from Alone would have done better than the average person--usually because I suspect they tend to be more introverted, thus their social requirements are lower (but still extant).

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suzc's avatar

And yet they all cash their social security checks.

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DBR's avatar

Of course the irony is most of them would do horribly on a two-week Outward Bound program. For all their love of yeomanry, they are very dependent people.

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hrlngrv's avatar

It takes a Unibomber to be a rugged individualistic reactionary crackpot able to live off the land even if he needed the USPS to get his jollies.

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Maggie's avatar

Yes, they might be taken aback to find that proximity to a Walmart isn't an inalienable right.

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R Mercer's avatar

There is a preference (for evolutionary reasons), among human males, for physical toughness and this is seen as equivalent to or superior to mental toughness--if mental toughness is even considered.

Which is interesting, because in most high end military training (like SEALS or special forces) the objective is to test the mental toughness of the candidate. You can reach THAT breaking point more quickly and easily than the physical breaking point, in most cases.

Lawyering is inherently corrupt--because the central activity of a lot of law (as practiced) is the manipulation of the law or of circumstances so as to avoid punishment... or to write/rewrite law so as to make that avoidance more difficult (thus requiring an intimacy with the corruption of principle and of language).

Ideally we should expect more, but that is an ideal and rarely achieved.

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Judith A Murphy's avatar

unbelievable...most 'developed' countries don't even have a death penalty. :-(

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David Court's avatar

By implicitly including the US in your description "most 'developed' countries", you explain the problem with your comment. Developed? US?

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Mary's avatar

The Dark Place is damn near a Black Hole at this point. It pulls all the "good Republicans" in and never lets them leave. Kind of like The Hotel California.

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Eleanor Kitzman's avatar

There is no such thing as a тАЬgood RepublicanтАЭ anymore. By not actively fighting against MAGA ideology, these so called тАЬgood RepublicansтАЭ legitimize MAGA by sharing the party with them. By not calling out the evil, they are condoning it.

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Mary's avatar

Completely agree, which is why I put it in quotations ЁЯШЙ

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MillennialExistential's avatar

Yep. My favorite description of Trump is as a "moral event horizon".

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TomD's avatar

I.e., a moral Black Hole.

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