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Paul Mccrary's avatar

You're the exact kind of person who argued that my family in "biologically inferior" to white people.

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Steve Bernitz's avatar

You’re trying awfully hard to pick fights. There’s absolutely nothing I’ve said to indicate that in any way. My people (Jewish) have been considered of lesser value by many over history, but I try not to let that impact every discussion I have.

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Jake Neubauer's avatar

If you don't want to discuss in good faith, then just don't comment

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

How is that bad faith? Those exact same arguments were sued to justify racism. It's factually accurate. If that makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you need to ask yourself why.

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Jake Neubauer's avatar

It is not the "exact same argument", and if you are going to hurl accusations of racism, then nobody is going to take what you say seriously. You seem to be the only one here looking for a fight, rather than seeking to understand

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

There's not much to understand about people wanting to treat some women as less than other women. It's rank bigotry

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Jake Neubauer's avatar

Is the concern about fairness in women's sports legitimate? If not, why don't you explain data supporting the assertion that there is no difference between FAAB and MAAB women in sports in terms of outcomes. Or provide something to the discussion other than calling people bigots. Picking fights like this is not helping trans women nor does it advance the discussion. It's just trying to score points.

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Terry Hilldale's avatar

You have identified the implied assertion in his comments. I am curious as to why the fairness of MAAB and FAAB men in sports in terms of outcomes is not similarly questioned in society. What unexamined assumption is in play here?

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Jake Neubauer's avatar

I would assume that would put FAAB men at a disadvantage in their respective leagues. Though that assumption might be inaccurate if you look at more data, or it may only be inaccurate for certain sports (e.g. skating, equestrian, gymnastics). I just think we are at the beginning of this debate and there is not a lot of evidence one way or the other. People are operating on assumption.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

Denying all women access to something is about fairness and it is bigoted to deny women access based on how they were born.

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Terry Hilldale's avatar

Your embedded assertion is that there is no difference between FAAB and MAAB women in sports in terms of outcomes. Yet you have provided no support. You have only heaped scorn, which sorry, is no substitute for a well-reasoned argument.

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Paul Mccrary's avatar

Why should I address an arbitrary idea like that? All women should be allowed to compete in women's sports. That is pretty clear reasoning

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