At what point does everyone out there grasping for a “decent” candidate realize that the most decent of all these people is the one already in the White House?
Because people are not actually grasping for a decent candidate. They are grasping for a candidate that matches their identity that is seen to be electable. Decency has little to do with it in any direct sense other than "electability."
I think it’s strange to expect Democratic politicians to not have *any* left leaning views. The Democratic Party has historically held liberal policy positions just as the Republican Party had (before the Trump takeover) held traditionally conservative positions. And despite that takeover, it is still the “Democratic Party” - not “The Party That Must Be Completely Centrist On All Issues In Order to Save the Republican Party From Destroying Itself and the Country” (that would be too long to fit on a ballot anyway ;)
But I’m not too worried about the crackpot extreme left candidates. If Democrats were too scared by the threat of another Trump to nominate Biden instead of Bernie or Warren or Buttigieg - then, wacky Marianne Williams, Colonel West and RFK Jr. don’t stand a chance. Especially the last guy on the list who would probably do better in a Republican Party primary than a Democratic one.
I live in NJ but go to NY pretty often. Have you seen polls or other data to show that Jefferies is unpopular there? That doesn’t seem to be the impression that I get. But I might be wrong.
Right. I assume everyone here knows the history of “The Southern Strategy” and why and how the parties realigned when Republicans realized they were unlikely to win any black votes because of their opposition to Civil Rights. “Historically” might have been a poor choice of words. I probably should have said “I’m recent history” but I doubt anyone here is under the impression that Republicans prioritize rights for black people more than Democrats because “Lincoln was a Republican”.
They were economically liberal and socially conservative. Their economic liberalism was simply “whites only.” They were willing New Dealers on those terms.
M neighbor -- retired combat Infantry w 3 "sandbox tours" and a Purple Heart, your typical wokeist! radical!-- has taken to wearing a blue hat with a red-hat font beseeching "MAKE LYING WRONG AGAIN".
I like him well enough (really wish he didn't shoot himself in the foot, and his silly feud with DeSantis and Abbott is a needless distraction), but there is no way he's going to win a primary nationally
As a former California resident and current resident of deep blue Maryland, I have nothing but contempt for the runaway housing costs and homelessness experienced in California. Newsome has failed California, and this issue represents a significant weakness in his ability to lead 50 states. The tent cities scattered throughout the state is shameful - and I have homeless family members who have spent months/years navigating the state's system to apply for affordable housing. Newsome is the poster child of the stereotypical wine drinking, out-of-touch, snooty liberal elite, and will get crushed in most swing states.
I don’t think you know nearly enough far leftists to be able to say that. Pretty much no one who voted for Bernie in 2016 or 2020 is likely to support any of those.
At what point does everyone out there grasping for a “decent” candidate realize that the most decent of all these people is the one already in the White House?
Because people are not actually grasping for a decent candidate. They are grasping for a candidate that matches their identity that is seen to be electable. Decency has little to do with it in any direct sense other than "electability."
I think it’s strange to expect Democratic politicians to not have *any* left leaning views. The Democratic Party has historically held liberal policy positions just as the Republican Party had (before the Trump takeover) held traditionally conservative positions. And despite that takeover, it is still the “Democratic Party” - not “The Party That Must Be Completely Centrist On All Issues In Order to Save the Republican Party From Destroying Itself and the Country” (that would be too long to fit on a ballot anyway ;)
But I’m not too worried about the crackpot extreme left candidates. If Democrats were too scared by the threat of another Trump to nominate Biden instead of Bernie or Warren or Buttigieg - then, wacky Marianne Williams, Colonel West and RFK Jr. don’t stand a chance. Especially the last guy on the list who would probably do better in a Republican Party primary than a Democratic one.
I live in NJ but go to NY pretty often. Have you seen polls or other data to show that Jefferies is unpopular there? That doesn’t seem to be the impression that I get. But I might be wrong.
Right. I assume everyone here knows the history of “The Southern Strategy” and why and how the parties realigned when Republicans realized they were unlikely to win any black votes because of their opposition to Civil Rights. “Historically” might have been a poor choice of words. I probably should have said “I’m recent history” but I doubt anyone here is under the impression that Republicans prioritize rights for black people more than Democrats because “Lincoln was a Republican”.
They were economically liberal and socially conservative. Their economic liberalism was simply “whites only.” They were willing New Dealers on those terms.
The top 5 contenders for the Democratic nom in 2028 are probably:
Harris
Whitmer
Kelley
Warnock
Polis
None of those screams “Left” let alone “Far Left.”
None of those are running in 2024.
I mean, no one besides Biden is running in 2024. I’m responding to Charlie’s assertion of who might take up the mantle in 5 years.
I read Charlie's comment as pertaining to the 2024 election. Which is the next election.
I don’t know why it would be. Biden is running. And he isn’t the “Left” or the “Far Left.”
What about Klobuchar?
Maybe Wes Moore, Maura Healey and Josh Shapiro too. I really believe the Democrats have a deep bench of normal people.
Yes, that’s the strength of this entire group of people. They are all normal people.
Make Normal Great Again!
I think you've just given me the slogan for my 2028 bumper sticker! My 2020 slogan was "Make Politics Boring Again, Biden 2020."
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Newsom
He would never win the primary.
I like him well enough (really wish he didn't shoot himself in the foot, and his silly feud with DeSantis and Abbott is a needless distraction), but there is no way he's going to win a primary nationally
As a former California resident and current resident of deep blue Maryland, I have nothing but contempt for the runaway housing costs and homelessness experienced in California. Newsome has failed California, and this issue represents a significant weakness in his ability to lead 50 states. The tent cities scattered throughout the state is shameful - and I have homeless family members who have spent months/years navigating the state's system to apply for affordable housing. Newsome is the poster child of the stereotypical wine drinking, out-of-touch, snooty liberal elite, and will get crushed in most swing states.
Homelessness is a national problem ! Look harder, you’ll see.
Kamala is literally a prosecutor that the left derided for locking up parents with truant kids, but okay.
I don’t think you know nearly enough far leftists to be able to say that. Pretty much no one who voted for Bernie in 2016 or 2020 is likely to support any of those.
Please specify what positions each of them takes that makes them 'scream' left or far left.
I guess it depends upon your definition of left/far left.
Definitely. The whole scale has shifted to the right. What is being
defined as “far left” in the U.S is moderate in the countries everyone wants to live in, like Northern Europe.
How about if we get through 2024 before we start on 2028?