I think Kamala is the wrong person for the next in line to be President. Just because she clicks two boxes doesn't make her experienced. I'd much prefer a more solid VP like Witmer. I voted for Kamala for Senator and I was disappointed they picked her for VP slot.
You may be right, but she's a tough cookie and a Midwesterner. She might have a chance. They seem to be okay with Haley and she both a woman and non white.
Maybe. But they could have her take over for Feinstein who is completely out of it. She could say she wants to make sure they can protect the Democratic seat. Haley is advertising that she's not running against Biden, she is running against Harris. That's bad. Because all of the good things people see in Biden, Harris is lacking.
Kamala Harris' race and gender is absolutely a factor for her opponents on the right. Which is why I have a hard time imagining that a non-white person could ever be on a GOP presidential ticket.
Every President we elect has a Vice President to step in and serve out their term. Any President could die unexpectedly while in office. Kamala would do a better job than anyone Trump could bring to the table (pretty sure heтАЩs gonna get the GOP nomination). That you can count on. Chill out, people.
Welll said. Remember the Tea Party? Remember birtherism? Remember who relentlessly pushed birtherism? Since the Equal Rights Act the Democrats have never won the white vote.
It is not very hard: Trump alone understood the racism of the GOP's base and very effectively, I would say brilliantly, seized ownership of it. He regards this, probably correctly, as the cleverest thing he has ever done, and he is not letting go.
As for misogony, two words only need be said: Hilary Clinton.
Charlie has seized on Nicky HaileyтАЩs new message of тАЬBiden is so old, think of the danger of President Kamala HarrisтАЭ. This position elides two important elements: a) Trump is only a couple years younger, and b) holy shit, think about who heтАЩs going to pick for VP. You think you donтАЩt like VP Harris? Try having VP Lake or Taylor-Green only a heartbeat away.
Carson, you made the most sensible point I've yet seen in regard to all the endless Bulwark discussions about Kamala Harris needing to be replaced. I swear they started the day after the inauguration!
There has been a constant repeat of the lazy media narrative surrounding Biden's age, while barely mentioning that Trump is almost the same age and his rants are like those of a dementia patient. Then there is the Stoddard article that is wishful speculation about how the Democrats should somehow replace Biden and Harris with a unicorn ticket of Whitmer-Warnock. None of this is helpful at all.
I agree, Kamala is very smart, plus she is not there as a decorative figure, she knows well about policies and goals of this administration, plus she is not a wallflower. But she is a woman and black and misogynism and racism are still rampant. I don't worry at all about Kamala becoming President. She will be great!! It is amazing that in this country she is the first VP. In Costa Rica, for example, there was a female president and VPs are mostly women. Now, there is a black woman VP even when the majority of the population of Costa Rica is not black. Not white but caffe latte:). I know of a democrat who did not vote on 2016 because it was Hillary the candidate. Not only that but he believed all the awful things they were saying about her. I don't know why this country is considered "developed" while Costa Rica is "underdeveloped" Maybe developed means more guns and plutocracy not democracy. In 1948, Costa Rica got rid of the army. Tourism has flourished because costaricans are fiercely protective of its nature diversity, forests, birds, wild animals, etc. And since 1949 there is Universal Health Care. No, it is not perfect. People go to the polls every four years and their vote counts, no Electoral College. Sorry, I digressed. I wanted to point out that I don't consider the USA developed as far as humanism and equality are concerned. Even if the Declaration of Independence mentioned that we are all created equal. I don't have any qualms about Kamala being President!!!
Totally agree. I have friends who have told me specifically they would vote for Biden but theyтАЩre worried about his age because then Kamala would be president and they canтАЩt deal with that. when I mention Nixon and Ford theyтАЩre like yeah but. I am not sure Biden will go the distance but talking about it endlessly with no options for what could be done otherwise is a waste of time. I know CharlieтАЩs trying to convince us, of what IтАЩm not sure. We all know Joe is old, probably past his prime but he is the incumbent and if he wants to run, thatтАЩs the way it works, after all the other party doesnтАЩt even have an incumbent that runs every time and will for the future until wins or dies. If there are any solutions to the Biden problem, other than ditching him, IтАЩd love to hear them. I do think that the Democrats (us) do a terrible job of messaging but that is nothing new and certainly is not because of Biden. Charlie, write secret letters signed with a DemocratтАЩs name and tell them what they should be doing. Same for Mike Murphy.
Sorry Ginny,I meant theyтАЩre telling us. IтАЩm fine with Harris. Your comment was very good. IтАЩm continuously puzzeled by the bw hand wringing on Harris. I think you make an excellent observation. Seems some of this exists on the bw also,sad to say. DonтАЩt forget all these bw people are still conservatives at heart,evenif I have a fondness for JV and Tim.тЭдя╕П
And properly so. The Vice President has an image problem and both she and Biden would benefit from getting her out in positive public situations more often. She appears to be a capable retail politician and that is the strength of the Democratic party.
No, I didn't care much for her coming out of the primaries and would have preferred an alternative but, she's what we've got, she hasn't done anything terribly wrong and there's no overwhelming reason to remove her from the ticket.
ItтАЩs 100% about the possibility of having a black woman in the WH, even at TB. Nobody ever pins down why she couldnтАЩt step in if necessary and do just fine with a Chief of Staff and a cabinet and aides and briefing books. ItтАЩs just no some amorphous code that we are all supposed to agree with.
They all disliked Obama, although nobody spells out why, exactly.
As Mitch McConnell said, they let us have a black president; what more do we want?
Obama was extremely brilliant and had charisma. Harris is no Obama. I voted for her for Senate and I was eager to see her evolve in that role. But not as VP and never as Presidrnt. She would lose in a landslide. Witmer would be an excellent VP.
LetтАЩs look instead at 2028. Joe is done and the field is wide open. Kamala has no advantage. Democratic VPs donтАЩt automatically ascend. The same is true of 2024.
I donтАЩt have much use for AB. She doesnтАЩt have an impressive enough record of calling balls and strikes to keep my attention. SheтАЩs also the Angel of Death.
Warnock probably cannot get elected, not because heтАЩs black but because heтАЩs single. We donтАЩt elect single men. Married men poll as more stable and trustworthy; I donтАЩt make the rules. We donтАЩt elect gay men either but I feel pretty sure Pete will be POTUS one day. ItтАЩs past time for pointless rules to fall. In the interim we donтАЩt elect single men.
If only there had been a Republican candidate with a background comparable to Kamala Harris. Like a white dude who had been a prosecuting attorney in a major metropolitan city before moving to the national stage.
That covers Cruz and Christie at least. Although either of them a heartbeat away from the Presidency would be terrifying, except I donтАЩt think Christie would have couped.
I don't want Christie in the Whitehouse, but not only do I agree that he wouldn't coup, I also don't think he'd be automatically bad on foreign policy or any worse than replacement value on social issues.
And yeah, there's quite a bit of damning with faint praise going on there, but Christie for all his numerous faults, doesn't terrify me the way Trump, DeSantis, and now Vivek do.
Exactly. Harris wasn't my first choice as running mate, but I see no reason why she would not be a competent president. She's as capable and qualified as many others who have had that job.
She was my choice for running mate at the time but I have been disappointed that she has not had better preparation for top spot during her VP stint, or better PR in general. I think within the party the issue is that she is not a glad-hander. IOW, Kamala has a Hilary problem. Both women are incredibly competent and experienced, particularly up against The Opposition. But not great "retail politicians" (is that the right term?) like Bill or Obama. And apparently competence isn't relevant to "electability".
Perception is Reality in politics. (Though I do recall Hillary actually WON the most VOTES in face of lots of thumbs on the scale from Putin to Comey.)
And Democrats always let the GOP frame the message, which is fatal. And it's happening again, with Biden's age. (Which I do worry about! He seems exhausted much of the time. He is too old to survive the aging in office of truly responsible presidents like everyone but TFG.)
As thankful as I am for Biden/Harris, I could get behind Whitmer/Warlock. But they have young children. And it is a dangerous game these days.
From what I've heard, Kamala Harris and Hilary Clinton are better with small groups and interactions on a personal basis than they are with speeches and media interviews. They aren't politically gifted at the same level as Gretchen Whitmer and Raphael Warnock. Or for that matter Gavin Newsome, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan. The same could probably be said for most politicians, Biden included. Though according to commentary I've heard Kamala can do well in debates if she is properly coached.
The Biden administration definitely needs to up its game with messaging and with pushing back against this constant drumbeat about Biden's age, Hunter's travails, and how Biden was somehow responsible for inflation.
Which is worse, wearing a tan suit or promoting the spread of a deadly virus and trying to overthrow the results of an election? Apparently for Republicans, wearing a tan suit.
Haley is out there scaring up the people with the vote for Biden would produce a President Harris. She's kicked Joe into the grave while he's still living.
But this argument could backfire - she is also a woman, and one of color. So I don't get it.
I think Kamala is the wrong person for the next in line to be President. Just because she clicks two boxes doesn't make her experienced. I'd much prefer a more solid VP like Witmer. I voted for Kamala for Senator and I was disappointed they picked her for VP slot.
You may be right, but she's a tough cookie and a Midwesterner. She might have a chance. They seem to be okay with Haley and she both a woman and non white.
Maybe. But they could have her take over for Feinstein who is completely out of it. She could say she wants to make sure they can protect the Democratic seat. Haley is advertising that she's not running against Biden, she is running against Harris. That's bad. Because all of the good things people see in Biden, Harris is lacking.
Kamala Harris' race and gender is absolutely a factor for her opponents on the right. Which is why I have a hard time imagining that a non-white person could ever be on a GOP presidential ticket.
It's the result of millions of people being brainwashed by a very effective right wing propaganda machine.
Every President we elect has a Vice President to step in and serve out their term. Any President could die unexpectedly while in office. Kamala would do a better job than anyone Trump could bring to the table (pretty sure heтАЩs gonna get the GOP nomination). That you can count on. Chill out, people.
Welll said. Remember the Tea Party? Remember birtherism? Remember who relentlessly pushed birtherism? Since the Equal Rights Act the Democrats have never won the white vote.
It is not very hard: Trump alone understood the racism of the GOP's base and very effectively, I would say brilliantly, seized ownership of it. He regards this, probably correctly, as the cleverest thing he has ever done, and he is not letting go.
As for misogony, two words only need be said: Hilary Clinton.
As a Black person, I can tell you...at least 95% of the time it's about race.
And i 100% belive you....which means that us Black women are fighting a uphill battle
Great point!
Charlie has seized on Nicky HaileyтАЩs new message of тАЬBiden is so old, think of the danger of President Kamala HarrisтАЭ. This position elides two important elements: a) Trump is only a couple years younger, and b) holy shit, think about who heтАЩs going to pick for VP. You think you donтАЩt like VP Harris? Try having VP Lake or Taylor-Green only a heartbeat away.
Carson, you made the most sensible point I've yet seen in regard to all the endless Bulwark discussions about Kamala Harris needing to be replaced. I swear they started the day after the inauguration!
CharlieтАЩs always muttering about how Kamala Harris is a тАЬproblemтАЭ, but he never says why.
There has been a constant repeat of the lazy media narrative surrounding Biden's age, while barely mentioning that Trump is almost the same age and his rants are like those of a dementia patient. Then there is the Stoddard article that is wishful speculation about how the Democrats should somehow replace Biden and Harris with a unicorn ticket of Whitmer-Warnock. None of this is helpful at all.
I agree, Kamala is very smart, plus she is not there as a decorative figure, she knows well about policies and goals of this administration, plus she is not a wallflower. But she is a woman and black and misogynism and racism are still rampant. I don't worry at all about Kamala becoming President. She will be great!! It is amazing that in this country she is the first VP. In Costa Rica, for example, there was a female president and VPs are mostly women. Now, there is a black woman VP even when the majority of the population of Costa Rica is not black. Not white but caffe latte:). I know of a democrat who did not vote on 2016 because it was Hillary the candidate. Not only that but he believed all the awful things they were saying about her. I don't know why this country is considered "developed" while Costa Rica is "underdeveloped" Maybe developed means more guns and plutocracy not democracy. In 1948, Costa Rica got rid of the army. Tourism has flourished because costaricans are fiercely protective of its nature diversity, forests, birds, wild animals, etc. And since 1949 there is Universal Health Care. No, it is not perfect. People go to the polls every four years and their vote counts, no Electoral College. Sorry, I digressed. I wanted to point out that I don't consider the USA developed as far as humanism and equality are concerned. Even if the Declaration of Independence mentioned that we are all created equal. I don't have any qualms about Kamala being President!!!
Totally agree. I have friends who have told me specifically they would vote for Biden but theyтАЩre worried about his age because then Kamala would be president and they canтАЩt deal with that. when I mention Nixon and Ford theyтАЩre like yeah but. I am not sure Biden will go the distance but talking about it endlessly with no options for what could be done otherwise is a waste of time. I know CharlieтАЩs trying to convince us, of what IтАЩm not sure. We all know Joe is old, probably past his prime but he is the incumbent and if he wants to run, thatтАЩs the way it works, after all the other party doesnтАЩt even have an incumbent that runs every time and will for the future until wins or dies. If there are any solutions to the Biden problem, other than ditching him, IтАЩd love to hear them. I do think that the Democrats (us) do a terrible job of messaging but that is nothing new and certainly is not because of Biden. Charlie, write secret letters signed with a DemocratтАЩs name and tell them what they should be doing. Same for Mike Murphy.
Very thoughtful comment. YouтАЩre telling me Kamilla would be worse than any of the Republican potential candidates!?
Sorry Ginny,I meant theyтАЩre telling us. IтАЩm fine with Harris. Your comment was very good. IтАЩm continuously puzzeled by the bw hand wringing on Harris. I think you make an excellent observation. Seems some of this exists on the bw also,sad to say. DonтАЩt forget all these bw people are still conservatives at heart,evenif I have a fondness for JV and Tim.тЭдя╕П
And properly so. The Vice President has an image problem and both she and Biden would benefit from getting her out in positive public situations more often. She appears to be a capable retail politician and that is the strength of the Democratic party.
No, I didn't care much for her coming out of the primaries and would have preferred an alternative but, she's what we've got, she hasn't done anything terribly wrong and there's no overwhelming reason to remove her from the ticket.
That's a very low bar and Biden/Harris easily goes well over it.
ItтАЩs 100% about the possibility of having a black woman in the WH, even at TB. Nobody ever pins down why she couldnтАЩt step in if necessary and do just fine with a Chief of Staff and a cabinet and aides and briefing books. ItтАЩs just no some amorphous code that we are all supposed to agree with.
They all disliked Obama, although nobody spells out why, exactly.
As Mitch McConnell said, they let us have a black president; what more do we want?
Obama was extremely brilliant and had charisma. Harris is no Obama. I voted for her for Senate and I was eager to see her evolve in that role. But not as VP and never as Presidrnt. She would lose in a landslide. Witmer would be an excellent VP.
In what election would there be a landslide? SheтАЩd be finishing the PresidentтАЩs term.
God forbid itтАЩs necessary.
No, I meant if Biden bowed out and she ran in his place.
Oh, I see. HeтАЩs not going to.
LetтАЩs look instead at 2028. Joe is done and the field is wide open. Kamala has no advantage. Democratic VPs donтАЩt automatically ascend. The same is true of 2024.
I donтАЩt have much use for AB. She doesnтАЩt have an impressive enough record of calling balls and strikes to keep my attention. SheтАЩs also the Angel of Death.
Warnock probably cannot get elected, not because heтАЩs black but because heтАЩs single. We donтАЩt elect single men. Married men poll as more stable and trustworthy; I donтАЩt make the rules. We donтАЩt elect gay men either but I feel pretty sure Pete will be POTUS one day. ItтАЩs past time for pointless rules to fall. In the interim we donтАЩt elect single men.
Not sure what Tim Scott was thinking.
What do you think of MI governor Gretchen Witmer.
I think sheтАЩs awesome. I love her.
Me too.
AB Stoddard. She wrote one of her sturm und drangy rants yesterday about replacing Biden and Harris with Whitmer and Warnock.
If only there had been a Republican candidate with a background comparable to Kamala Harris. Like a white dude who had been a prosecuting attorney in a major metropolitan city before moving to the national stage.
Oh wait...
That covers Cruz and Christie at least. Although either of them a heartbeat away from the Presidency would be terrifying, except I donтАЩt think Christie would have couped.
I don't want Christie in the Whitehouse, but not only do I agree that he wouldn't coup, I also don't think he'd be automatically bad on foreign policy or any worse than replacement value on social issues.
And yeah, there's quite a bit of damning with faint praise going on there, but Christie for all his numerous faults, doesn't terrify me the way Trump, DeSantis, and now Vivek do.
At this point I'd be okay with anyone who isn't completely insane.
Exactly. Harris wasn't my first choice as running mate, but I see no reason why she would not be a competent president. She's as capable and qualified as many others who have had that job.
She was my choice for running mate at the time but I have been disappointed that she has not had better preparation for top spot during her VP stint, or better PR in general. I think within the party the issue is that she is not a glad-hander. IOW, Kamala has a Hilary problem. Both women are incredibly competent and experienced, particularly up against The Opposition. But not great "retail politicians" (is that the right term?) like Bill or Obama. And apparently competence isn't relevant to "electability".
Perception is Reality in politics. (Though I do recall Hillary actually WON the most VOTES in face of lots of thumbs on the scale from Putin to Comey.)
And Democrats always let the GOP frame the message, which is fatal. And it's happening again, with Biden's age. (Which I do worry about! He seems exhausted much of the time. He is too old to survive the aging in office of truly responsible presidents like everyone but TFG.)
As thankful as I am for Biden/Harris, I could get behind Whitmer/Warlock. But they have young children. And it is a dangerous game these days.
From what I've heard, Kamala Harris and Hilary Clinton are better with small groups and interactions on a personal basis than they are with speeches and media interviews. They aren't politically gifted at the same level as Gretchen Whitmer and Raphael Warnock. Or for that matter Gavin Newsome, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan. The same could probably be said for most politicians, Biden included. Though according to commentary I've heard Kamala can do well in debates if she is properly coached.
The Biden administration definitely needs to up its game with messaging and with pushing back against this constant drumbeat about Biden's age, Hunter's travails, and how Biden was somehow responsible for inflation.
And she would have the support of the Biden Administration which is helpful to remember.
"They all disliked Obama, although nobody spells out why, exactly."
Tan suit.
Democrats like him a lot. He was elected twice.
Don't forget his taste in mustard. Dijon? History's greatest monster indeed.
HeтАЩs got a (beat) tan suit with pink shoelaces
A polka dot vest and, man oh man
He wears (beat) tan suit with pink shoelaces
And a big Panama with a purple had band.
With apologies to Dodge Stevens (1959)
Dammit, I forgot. I thought it was how his black skin clashed with their white house.
That tan suit was one of the great tragedies of our time, according to Nutbag Digest.
Which is worse, wearing a tan suit or promoting the spread of a deadly virus and trying to overthrow the results of an election? Apparently for Republicans, wearing a tan suit.
Just so I am clear, is this sarcasm?
I thought so. ЁЯША
Just checking. Thanks for confirming.
I liked the tan suit. It was because he was Black and had his nerve.
He looked a lot better in that tan suit than any president since Kennedy has looked in any color suit
Yeah, it burned my eyes, just seeing it on TV.
Even more galling was sleeveless Michelle with those pumped-up arms. What a hussy!! (eyeroll)
Haha! Michelle inspired me to pick up weight lifting!!
(Melania inspired me to look away.)
I never want another FLOTUS that weтАЩve all seen naked, please and thank you.
Or near naked and posing with a big gun....
Same. Humorously, I recall an online comment shortly after Trump slouched into the White House, тАЬFINALLY we have a First Lady with class!тАЭ
Oy vey.
My father used to observe (of certain people): Lots of class - all of it Third!
I saw a women say this. Sorry,old,trashy,uneducated white woman. Who could have guessed!
ThatтАЩs more like it!
Apparently to them, "class" = white. Hilary was right: they're deplorable.
Oy vey is right. And that was before the HaindmaidтАЩs Tale holiday decor and raping the Rose Garden.
To paraphrase a childrenтАЩs song: тАЬSome kind of class, is the kind of class, we all could do withoutтАЭ.
Sorry, even what at VP? IтАЩm too slow this AM to understand what youтАЩre asking. I apologize.
Oh, no. TB is The Bulwark. ThatтАЩs what I meant.
Agree.
Haley is out there scaring up the people with the vote for Biden would produce a President Harris. She's kicked Joe into the grave while he's still living.
But this argument could backfire - she is also a woman, and one of color. So I don't get it.
She has said she's running against Harris. Damn those Republicans are so great at keying in on the most potent attack stratrgy.
It isn't hard, unfortunately.
She is Indian. Harris is half Indian.
So, theyтАЩre both South Asian. What am I missing?
What youтАЩre missing is NikkiтАЩs hypocrisy.
That was my point.
"Nikki" can pass for white, if you don't pay too much attention.
Still a woman, though.
I mean, I wonder sometimes why these people are Republicans--haven't they figured out that it is the male white people's party?
They think theyтАЩll be the GOP Obama.
Dream on, suckers.
She doesnтАЩt look white enough for the GOP. If Trump ever perceives her as a threat sheтАЩs dead candidate walking.
She thinks thatтАЩs why nobody can say Nikki is a racist because she and the VP are both South Asian.
Nikki is a racist.
Sarah Palin!
McCain lost the election with his pick of Palin.
But that was then... this is now... and we know there are worse things in the Oval...
Indeed!
Steve Schmidt has talked about his regret for playing a role in her pick. The book on that campaign is fascinating.