I generally try to just ignore the Nolan outrage since everyone always trashes the movies and then later admits they were pretty good.
But… I’m about to throw down over the Luipta Nyong’o slander. Are you telling me that that’s not a face that could launch a thousand ships?? Really?? Also she’s like fabulously talented and I am so pumped she’s playing Clytemnestra because that’s such a complex role.
I'm Greek. Or at least the American version of Greek. Both of my parents were Greek.
Both were also racists. One day, on a long drive with them, I said; "You know, the ancient Greeks spent a lot more time in Africa and the Middle East then they did in Sweden. Doesn't that mean we probably have more "black and brown" blood than we do northern European blood?"
Needless to say they flipped out. But look at a damn map. Look at Greeks. We're a swarthy bunch, like southern Italians. Put me out in the sun and I turn into an Arab or Turk. We're more at home culturally in Lebanon than in Oslo. Alexandria Egypt, in Africa, was founded by a guy named Alexander. You know. Greek. You're telling me Greeks didn't do the wild thing with Africans?
I thought for sure the right would be thrilled by a blonde American playing Odysseus instead of some brown, Greek person, but of course Damon is pretty liberal, so they'll find a way to hate him, too. I thought also that they'd be slavering over Penelope as a role model for modern women. Casting a Black woman as Helen makes more sense than any of the blonde European women who have been cast in Classical screen adaptations, since forever; honestly, between the North African, Middle Eastern, Turkic and other waves of people who moved through and mixed with the ancient Greek people, one has to assume they were probably on the duskier side. But alas, this all presupposes that anyone on the right is still capable of critical thinking.
All things being equal, I generally prefer casting that's true to the source material, and there's a solid case that Helen was envisioned as fair/blonde. With that said... it's so totally not the end of the world. Artists gonna take artistic license. It's what they do. An adaptation CAN deviate from the source material and still be great in its own right.
And... color me skeptical that many of the critics are REALLY all about literary or historical accuracy, as the same crowd seems beyond fine with their blond, blue-eyed images of Jesus.
My guess is Page has been cast as Tiresias, because as everyone who is about to become an expert on Classical literature in a few months will soon be pointing out, Tiresias did spend some years as a woman. As a punishment for him separating two sacred snakes with his staff while they were mating, he was transformed into a woman, a sentence that lasted seven years if I’m remembering my Ovid correctly. This also led to him being blinded, when Zeus and Hera got into an argument about who took more pleasure in the act of love, the man or the woman. They summoned to Olympus the only person who had seen clouds from both sides now to settle the argument, and when he gives away womankind’s secret that it is indeed, women, who are the owners of the more pleasure in love title, Hera blinds him in a rage. Zeus then grants him second sight in compensation, whereupon he figures he’s had his own life messed up enough and proceeds to go around messing up other people’s lives. So casting Page may very well have been, at least partly, to head off complaints about a non-Trans actor playing a trans(sorta?) character. Because if we consulted Tiresias’ shade today, he’d surely tell us that the people criticizing movies on Twitter take much more pleasure in the act than those who actually watch the movies.
I generally try to just ignore the Nolan outrage since everyone always trashes the movies and then later admits they were pretty good.
But… I’m about to throw down over the Luipta Nyong’o slander. Are you telling me that that’s not a face that could launch a thousand ships?? Really?? Also she’s like fabulously talented and I am so pumped she’s playing Clytemnestra because that’s such a complex role.
If Page is posting Tiresias, it's brilliant casting, as Tiresias was changed from a man to woman and then back to a man again by Zeus.
I'm Greek. Or at least the American version of Greek. Both of my parents were Greek.
Both were also racists. One day, on a long drive with them, I said; "You know, the ancient Greeks spent a lot more time in Africa and the Middle East then they did in Sweden. Doesn't that mean we probably have more "black and brown" blood than we do northern European blood?"
Needless to say they flipped out. But look at a damn map. Look at Greeks. We're a swarthy bunch, like southern Italians. Put me out in the sun and I turn into an Arab or Turk. We're more at home culturally in Lebanon than in Oslo. Alexandria Egypt, in Africa, was founded by a guy named Alexander. You know. Greek. You're telling me Greeks didn't do the wild thing with Africans?
I thought for sure the right would be thrilled by a blonde American playing Odysseus instead of some brown, Greek person, but of course Damon is pretty liberal, so they'll find a way to hate him, too. I thought also that they'd be slavering over Penelope as a role model for modern women. Casting a Black woman as Helen makes more sense than any of the blonde European women who have been cast in Classical screen adaptations, since forever; honestly, between the North African, Middle Eastern, Turkic and other waves of people who moved through and mixed with the ancient Greek people, one has to assume they were probably on the duskier side. But alas, this all presupposes that anyone on the right is still capable of critical thinking.
Then how come Jesus was blond and blue eyed, according to his pictures?
Ok alt online right: you PROUDLY reject the humanities, insult the arts, demean artists— and now you want to have a shitty opinion on casting?
ye gods, must I suffer this??? 😂
Heard this
Right-wing wokeflakes. Scared of everything. Pussies. Softies. Losers.
All things being equal, I generally prefer casting that's true to the source material, and there's a solid case that Helen was envisioned as fair/blonde. With that said... it's so totally not the end of the world. Artists gonna take artistic license. It's what they do. An adaptation CAN deviate from the source material and still be great in its own right.
And... color me skeptical that many of the critics are REALLY all about literary or historical accuracy, as the same crowd seems beyond fine with their blond, blue-eyed images of Jesus.
Homer’s work does seem to take some artistic license with the material which was already old when he came along.
My guess is Page has been cast as Tiresias, because as everyone who is about to become an expert on Classical literature in a few months will soon be pointing out, Tiresias did spend some years as a woman. As a punishment for him separating two sacred snakes with his staff while they were mating, he was transformed into a woman, a sentence that lasted seven years if I’m remembering my Ovid correctly. This also led to him being blinded, when Zeus and Hera got into an argument about who took more pleasure in the act of love, the man or the woman. They summoned to Olympus the only person who had seen clouds from both sides now to settle the argument, and when he gives away womankind’s secret that it is indeed, women, who are the owners of the more pleasure in love title, Hera blinds him in a rage. Zeus then grants him second sight in compensation, whereupon he figures he’s had his own life messed up enough and proceeds to go around messing up other people’s lives. So casting Page may very well have been, at least partly, to head off complaints about a non-Trans actor playing a trans(sorta?) character. Because if we consulted Tiresias’ shade today, he’d surely tell us that the people criticizing movies on Twitter take much more pleasure in the act than those who actually watch the movies.
If the outrage grifters want to boycott a Christopher Nolan film, I will simply double the times I see it in the theater.
That’s right, I will see it 6 times instead of 3.
Why aren’t people bored of outrage?
It's particularly upsetting to me that Nolan isn't casting a real one-eyed Sicilian giant as the Cyclops.
Rumor has it the Cyclops was difficult to work with, wouldn’t commit to behaving on the set, and demanded too high a price.
And wait until they find out that Scylla and Charybdis are either CGI or ... puppets!