can california pass laws insisting i.c.e. act like all other law enforcement agencies?
can they refuse to recognize credentials from agencies that won't do that?
can they arrest agents who don't identify themselves and don't follow the law?
can they zone against i.c.e. activities in the name of public safety?
or can they at least force the feds to explain why their agents are in more danger than other officers? ones who live among the people they police instead of jetting off to bovino land when they feel threatened? the basis for some of their procedures is so flimsy, getting it into court would at least expose i.c.e. to more of the kind of ridicule that makes resisting them easier.
Though I think a lot is at stake in restoring accountability, and although "jailing" may be the outcome of due process, it is the wrong rhetoric for electoral success. Democrats need to have a coherent strategy to grab attention in the primaries and down-ballot elections.
Yes, a government acting criminally must be held to account. No official can be immune for crimes or abuses of power. But due process is not just a phrase. In our democracy it has to apply to everyone whether ICE agents, cabinet members, justices, congresspeople, the military, the President, immigrants or citizens. Investigations, indictments, trials, and verdicts - yes. "Jailing" may garner attention but it sounds like the vindictive view from the mirror, rather than a strategy to replace the current emotion with a mch more powerful one.
Beyond our own elections, we need to prove that the American experiment is not a failure. We need to restore our democracy for ourselves, but we also need to demonstrate that our model is viable to the world. Too much is at stake. No shortcuts. Only commitment.
agree *and* I would vote to prosecute anyone who breaks the law -- including ICE: would also insist that in California -- no masks and warrants issued by judges, only
Listening to Steyer's response regarding past errors, thank you for this Adrian
I continue to be amazed that no one talks about Steyer's co-founding in 2007 of the Beneficial State Bank, a non-profit community development bank that provides affordable loans to those shut out by Big Banking. https://www.beneficialstatebank.com/about-us I'm impressed by what he and his wife have done with their wealth and their plans for the future. Housing, environment, economic justice....and the ability to not only donate, but also create and execute for great results. I met him here in Boston at an early public event when he ran for President. Energetic, down-to-earth, competent, committed to the values I believe in. It's much too simple to just say his "another billionaire". He's not a self-centered tech-bro. He's climate and community driven. He's proven it by his actions.
Touché! Thank you kindly for the concise explanation of why Steyer is not just “another billionaire”. He truly walks the talk. 🙏
This monk has seen too many “hoity-toity” politicians who just want to give “handouts” with taxpayers money, with no expectations from the recipients.
This monk grew up poor in the hood and knew hunger. And yet, this monk now thrives due to education, family, and community, with help from financial aid to go to college. “Systemic racism” is just an excuse, not a reason to not thrive in America. 🙏
This monk now tries to help others in the larger community by being a volunteer and “sharing” his “good fortune”. 🙏
While I'm rooting for Becerra, I think Steyer in this current era might also be a powerful force. He's doing what 'reparation' for past harms look like. And until we can pass meaningful, permanent tax law changes that simply create fewer billionaires, having some of them actively working on the side of progressive policy positions, including by using their FU money to gain office, may be one of the paths to better. Just as temporary, conscious (and sanctioned by the voters) gerrymanders as the equal (or bigger) but opposite of the malfeasance of the right wing is a step we have to put up with in the short term.
Trying to rescue out whole government and society from the present threats means we can't afford to have a whole battery of purity tests. I find Hasan Piker's sweeping anti-semetic talk beyond the pale. Steyer, who has clearly been DOING THE WORK to be better doesn't give me hives in the slightest. I won't cry if he wins.
Look at the Beneficial State Bank that Steyer and his wife co-founded in 2007. He walks the talk for economic justice and climate. And - he's proven he can get things done. I find him impressive, not for his having made money, but for what he's been doing with his money. He doesn't just sit there and donate - he does something!!!
The most sensational statements/excerpts from Piker certainly don't play that way; I concur that critique of the policies of the Israeli government are absolutely valid, and I've been doing that, myself, for years. Maybe there's some additional nuance to some of this stuff, but I don't feel like it's worth hairsplitting on what 'Orthodox Jews being “inbred” ' *really* meant, or his praise for Mao and Chinese Communism.
In the same way that I think Gavin Newsom's willingness to toss trans youth under the bus to buy some votes, rather than defend everyone's right to play middle school soccer, is a trash position that loses my support for him ever being the presidential nominee.
Being callous with people's humanity is disgusting when anyone does it, and I think it's incumbent on people advocating for Democratic and Progressive candidates to hold our fellow travelers just as accountable as we would a Nick Fuentes, or Tucker Carlson, or Kanye West after his praise of Hitler.
“Gavin Newsom's willingness to toss trans youth under the bus to buy some votes, rather than defend everyone's right to play middle school soccer“
No love for Newsom here, but as a liberal and a foreigner, I am constantly rendered speechless at the sheer oddness of American moral red lines (and across the spectrum, too). I think we all know every middle schooler *could always* play soccer at school. This isn’t really about the children. It’s about high-performing MtF professional athletes seeking easy, highly-publicized layups; activists shutting down any disquiet as heresy, and a large mass of bien-pensant liberals who don’t want to stick their heads out and have thus surrendered the federal government and the literal safety of the planet to authoritarian brain-rotted monsters who rode this particular controversy (in part) to the White House. And that endangers both trans people and children. For the love of all that is holy, please consider moderating on some of this florid stuff and take back power nationally. The most vulnerable people on earth need it. And that includes trans people.
If Gavin Newsom wins the primary, I'll be forced to vote for him, for exactly the reasons you give. But, he won't have my vote to get that opportunity. We have had a rash of state-level legislation, along with HYSTRIONICS in all sorts of places about what bathrooms people are permitted to use and, yes, YOUTH sports at public schools and recreation centers. It's NOT just elite adult athletes who are being excluded ~ and even then, one of the people screaming about the "unfairness" of it all is put out that she tied for 5th place with a trans woman swimmer at some collegiate meet. I mean, really?
So, this is where you may not have the full picture. Newsom validated, yes, banning children from children's sports. And that's BS.
Adrian, Thanks for the mini bio and particulars, just one time I'd like to see a billionaire deliver on his promise to those that do the hard work for little pay, just once.
Trump tries to take our focus off of ICE and Epstein. Over 60% of the country is against ICE. Over 70% of the country wants less corruption in politics and they are aware that the Epstein cover up is largely the issue. But Thiel is behind Palantir and the big money loves their penitentiary investments in GeoGroup and CoreCivic. And we can thank Vanguard and BlackRock for putting it all together. Congress has a lot of money in ICE - we need to rid the MANY bad apples. The newbies were to help but even their firms got PPP money from Trump. GREED !
It would be one thing if Steyer still held or only recently divested his Core Civic investments, but everything he's done in that area over the past 20 years seems to indicate his reliability and sense of decency about immigration. Consider the alternative to undermining his campaign with purity tests. There still are some billionaires who aren't supervillains.
I AM in California and a registered Democrat since basic training in 1979. I have seen a lot of changes, both good and bad, for my state. I’m of Mexican descent and I am a San Diego native. I reside 14 miles from the International Border. I’m also a service connected USAF veteran. I’ve been watching this gubernatorial race very closely as I have anxiety about Newsom’s departure. I watched the debate and Steyer was the clear winner, especially where matters of ICE are concerned. While I respect Becerra and his leadership during the Biden presidency, I also feel concerned that maybe he tried slinging too much mud in Steyer’s direction regarding his investments over twenty years ago involving prisons. However, Becerra never addressed how many immigrant children were lost in the system and to this day have never been reunited with their families since Trump 1.0. That’s not on Steyer. If it were down to just Steyer and Becerra running, my vote would have to go to Steyer. I think, imho, that he’s redeemed himself. Also, I think that Mahan and Porter need to drop out and regroup for the next governor’s race. The two GOP candidates (I’m gonna try to be polite) would never have polled so high had Mahan and Porter (and the others that aren’t Becerra or Steyer) stepped aside. Mathematically, it makes more sense. I think more voters in California need to put it out there if they are like-minded as me. It’s dangerously close at this point and being close to the primaries, to California electing a Republican for governor. Does anyone remember The Governator??? Arnold Schwarzenegger was the Trump equivalent during his term insofar as he gave serious deep tax cuts to the extremely wealthy citizens here and don’t even get me started on what Ronald Reagan did my home state. If you think California has a homeless problem now, go back and look at the homeless problem back then. Immigrants were being profiled and deported immediately back then and lived in squalor in bushes near the fields where they worked. My own grandfather lived in fear of “Imigra” every day of his adult life because he could never prove he crossed the border legally, even though when he crossed with his uncle around the turn of the century, there weren’t the same immigration laws as there were after he’d already married my grandmother after WW1 and was raising their 11 children in the San Fernando Valley. They were always looking over their shoulder until he died of cancer in the mid 70’s. His cancer could’ve been easily cured, but he was too scared (until it was too late) to even seek medical attention because of Imigra. It’s called ICE now. For immigrants of any legal status, it’s a legitimate fear. Has been for decades. It’s why we need someone like Steyer who isn’t afraid to step up and not only abolish ICE, but lock these terrorists up for the criminal acts they’re committing. That, and see to it that immigrants will not have to live in fear of deportation for seeking medical treatment or sanctuary in general. I’m voting for him. If you’ve read this novela of a comment all the way through, I thank you.
Exactly. Add to Porter's voluntary departure that of Bland Becerra plus the Johnny come lately Mahan, and Steyer starts to stand tall. Vying against both Trumpist naturalized citizen Hilton and fellow Republican Sheriff, the ballot-seizing Bizarro Bianco. Steyer is starting to look like the safest best bet. If the highest goal is for a democratic win, above all else.
Thank you for laying down your argument for Steyer. It’s a good one. Regards from a fellow vet - I went through AF basic training in 1976. Served in Berlin during the Cold War. We sure have seen some things, haven’t we? Also a registered Democrat from the start and from California.
can california pass laws insisting i.c.e. act like all other law enforcement agencies?
can they refuse to recognize credentials from agencies that won't do that?
can they arrest agents who don't identify themselves and don't follow the law?
can they zone against i.c.e. activities in the name of public safety?
or can they at least force the feds to explain why their agents are in more danger than other officers? ones who live among the people they police instead of jetting off to bovino land when they feel threatened? the basis for some of their procedures is so flimsy, getting it into court would at least expose i.c.e. to more of the kind of ridicule that makes resisting them easier.
Now let's see profiles on the other candidates for office. And perhaps avoid the misogyny related to claims about Katie Porter being mean to people.
Though I think a lot is at stake in restoring accountability, and although "jailing" may be the outcome of due process, it is the wrong rhetoric for electoral success. Democrats need to have a coherent strategy to grab attention in the primaries and down-ballot elections.
Yes, a government acting criminally must be held to account. No official can be immune for crimes or abuses of power. But due process is not just a phrase. In our democracy it has to apply to everyone whether ICE agents, cabinet members, justices, congresspeople, the military, the President, immigrants or citizens. Investigations, indictments, trials, and verdicts - yes. "Jailing" may garner attention but it sounds like the vindictive view from the mirror, rather than a strategy to replace the current emotion with a mch more powerful one.
Beyond our own elections, we need to prove that the American experiment is not a failure. We need to restore our democracy for ourselves, but we also need to demonstrate that our model is viable to the world. Too much is at stake. No shortcuts. Only commitment.
agree *and* I would vote to prosecute anyone who breaks the law -- including ICE: would also insist that in California -- no masks and warrants issued by judges, only
Listening to Steyer's response regarding past errors, thank you for this Adrian
I continue to be amazed that no one talks about Steyer's co-founding in 2007 of the Beneficial State Bank, a non-profit community development bank that provides affordable loans to those shut out by Big Banking. https://www.beneficialstatebank.com/about-us I'm impressed by what he and his wife have done with their wealth and their plans for the future. Housing, environment, economic justice....and the ability to not only donate, but also create and execute for great results. I met him here in Boston at an early public event when he ran for President. Energetic, down-to-earth, competent, committed to the values I believe in. It's much too simple to just say his "another billionaire". He's not a self-centered tech-bro. He's climate and community driven. He's proven it by his actions.
Touché! Thank you kindly for the concise explanation of why Steyer is not just “another billionaire”. He truly walks the talk. 🙏
This monk has seen too many “hoity-toity” politicians who just want to give “handouts” with taxpayers money, with no expectations from the recipients.
This monk grew up poor in the hood and knew hunger. And yet, this monk now thrives due to education, family, and community, with help from financial aid to go to college. “Systemic racism” is just an excuse, not a reason to not thrive in America. 🙏
This monk now tries to help others in the larger community by being a volunteer and “sharing” his “good fortune”. 🙏
He gets my vote!
He won’t be out next governor. Xavier Becerra will be.
While I'm rooting for Becerra, I think Steyer in this current era might also be a powerful force. He's doing what 'reparation' for past harms look like. And until we can pass meaningful, permanent tax law changes that simply create fewer billionaires, having some of them actively working on the side of progressive policy positions, including by using their FU money to gain office, may be one of the paths to better. Just as temporary, conscious (and sanctioned by the voters) gerrymanders as the equal (or bigger) but opposite of the malfeasance of the right wing is a step we have to put up with in the short term.
Trying to rescue out whole government and society from the present threats means we can't afford to have a whole battery of purity tests. I find Hasan Piker's sweeping anti-semetic talk beyond the pale. Steyer, who has clearly been DOING THE WORK to be better doesn't give me hives in the slightest. I won't cry if he wins.
Look at the Beneficial State Bank that Steyer and his wife co-founded in 2007. He walks the talk for economic justice and climate. And - he's proven he can get things done. I find him impressive, not for his having made money, but for what he's been doing with his money. He doesn't just sit there and donate - he does something!!!
The most sensational statements/excerpts from Piker certainly don't play that way; I concur that critique of the policies of the Israeli government are absolutely valid, and I've been doing that, myself, for years. Maybe there's some additional nuance to some of this stuff, but I don't feel like it's worth hairsplitting on what 'Orthodox Jews being “inbred” ' *really* meant, or his praise for Mao and Chinese Communism.
In the same way that I think Gavin Newsom's willingness to toss trans youth under the bus to buy some votes, rather than defend everyone's right to play middle school soccer, is a trash position that loses my support for him ever being the presidential nominee.
Being callous with people's humanity is disgusting when anyone does it, and I think it's incumbent on people advocating for Democratic and Progressive candidates to hold our fellow travelers just as accountable as we would a Nick Fuentes, or Tucker Carlson, or Kanye West after his praise of Hitler.
“Gavin Newsom's willingness to toss trans youth under the bus to buy some votes, rather than defend everyone's right to play middle school soccer“
No love for Newsom here, but as a liberal and a foreigner, I am constantly rendered speechless at the sheer oddness of American moral red lines (and across the spectrum, too). I think we all know every middle schooler *could always* play soccer at school. This isn’t really about the children. It’s about high-performing MtF professional athletes seeking easy, highly-publicized layups; activists shutting down any disquiet as heresy, and a large mass of bien-pensant liberals who don’t want to stick their heads out and have thus surrendered the federal government and the literal safety of the planet to authoritarian brain-rotted monsters who rode this particular controversy (in part) to the White House. And that endangers both trans people and children. For the love of all that is holy, please consider moderating on some of this florid stuff and take back power nationally. The most vulnerable people on earth need it. And that includes trans people.
If Gavin Newsom wins the primary, I'll be forced to vote for him, for exactly the reasons you give. But, he won't have my vote to get that opportunity. We have had a rash of state-level legislation, along with HYSTRIONICS in all sorts of places about what bathrooms people are permitted to use and, yes, YOUTH sports at public schools and recreation centers. It's NOT just elite adult athletes who are being excluded ~ and even then, one of the people screaming about the "unfairness" of it all is put out that she tied for 5th place with a trans woman swimmer at some collegiate meet. I mean, really?
So, this is where you may not have the full picture. Newsom validated, yes, banning children from children's sports. And that's BS.
Steyer has my support because he’s been steadfast in supporting climate action.
And economic justice! Read https://www.beneficialstatebank.com/about-us
Adrian, Thanks for the mini bio and particulars, just one time I'd like to see a billionaire deliver on his promise to those that do the hard work for little pay, just once.
Trump tries to take our focus off of ICE and Epstein. Over 60% of the country is against ICE. Over 70% of the country wants less corruption in politics and they are aware that the Epstein cover up is largely the issue. But Thiel is behind Palantir and the big money loves their penitentiary investments in GeoGroup and CoreCivic. And we can thank Vanguard and BlackRock for putting it all together. Congress has a lot of money in ICE - we need to rid the MANY bad apples. The newbies were to help but even their firms got PPP money from Trump. GREED !
I don't have a strong valence on Steyer but I'm interested in Espina's work for Steyer.
Look at https://www.beneficialstatebank.com/about-us. Steyer's actions fit his words. Economic justice and climate!
It would be one thing if Steyer still held or only recently divested his Core Civic investments, but everything he's done in that area over the past 20 years seems to indicate his reliability and sense of decency about immigration. Consider the alternative to undermining his campaign with purity tests. There still are some billionaires who aren't supervillains.
Bill McKibbon also supports Steyer.
I am a Californian and am a bit apprehensive on how this is all going to go.
This election cycle already seems frenetic and based upon extremes in personalities, hot heads, and demagogues, and those bordering on too-slick
For example, it is not staunch advocacy for the rule of law, due-process and accountability to simply assert you want to put ICE agents in jail.
I sense a circus coming.
I AM in California and a registered Democrat since basic training in 1979. I have seen a lot of changes, both good and bad, for my state. I’m of Mexican descent and I am a San Diego native. I reside 14 miles from the International Border. I’m also a service connected USAF veteran. I’ve been watching this gubernatorial race very closely as I have anxiety about Newsom’s departure. I watched the debate and Steyer was the clear winner, especially where matters of ICE are concerned. While I respect Becerra and his leadership during the Biden presidency, I also feel concerned that maybe he tried slinging too much mud in Steyer’s direction regarding his investments over twenty years ago involving prisons. However, Becerra never addressed how many immigrant children were lost in the system and to this day have never been reunited with their families since Trump 1.0. That’s not on Steyer. If it were down to just Steyer and Becerra running, my vote would have to go to Steyer. I think, imho, that he’s redeemed himself. Also, I think that Mahan and Porter need to drop out and regroup for the next governor’s race. The two GOP candidates (I’m gonna try to be polite) would never have polled so high had Mahan and Porter (and the others that aren’t Becerra or Steyer) stepped aside. Mathematically, it makes more sense. I think more voters in California need to put it out there if they are like-minded as me. It’s dangerously close at this point and being close to the primaries, to California electing a Republican for governor. Does anyone remember The Governator??? Arnold Schwarzenegger was the Trump equivalent during his term insofar as he gave serious deep tax cuts to the extremely wealthy citizens here and don’t even get me started on what Ronald Reagan did my home state. If you think California has a homeless problem now, go back and look at the homeless problem back then. Immigrants were being profiled and deported immediately back then and lived in squalor in bushes near the fields where they worked. My own grandfather lived in fear of “Imigra” every day of his adult life because he could never prove he crossed the border legally, even though when he crossed with his uncle around the turn of the century, there weren’t the same immigration laws as there were after he’d already married my grandmother after WW1 and was raising their 11 children in the San Fernando Valley. They were always looking over their shoulder until he died of cancer in the mid 70’s. His cancer could’ve been easily cured, but he was too scared (until it was too late) to even seek medical attention because of Imigra. It’s called ICE now. For immigrants of any legal status, it’s a legitimate fear. Has been for decades. It’s why we need someone like Steyer who isn’t afraid to step up and not only abolish ICE, but lock these terrorists up for the criminal acts they’re committing. That, and see to it that immigrants will not have to live in fear of deportation for seeking medical treatment or sanctuary in general. I’m voting for him. If you’ve read this novela of a comment all the way through, I thank you.
Touché, Renee!
Unless one is Native American, we are all immigrants. 🙏
Nuestra lucha…
We all fight hatred together as a community. 🙏
From across the country, I don't see Katie Porter doing the right thing by dropping out.
She's not known for playing well with others, and has been madam ogre to her employees. She needs to go, so do most of the other Ds.
Exactly. Add to Porter's voluntary departure that of Bland Becerra plus the Johnny come lately Mahan, and Steyer starts to stand tall. Vying against both Trumpist naturalized citizen Hilton and fellow Republican Sheriff, the ballot-seizing Bizarro Bianco. Steyer is starting to look like the safest best bet. If the highest goal is for a democratic win, above all else.
Touché, Shelfie!
Like your logic. Hope that the other dems get it and remember that this election is NOT about pleasing their egos. 🙏
Thank you for saying what I was trying to NOT say out loud 😎
Thank you for laying down your argument for Steyer. It’s a good one. Regards from a fellow vet - I went through AF basic training in 1976. Served in Berlin during the Cold War. We sure have seen some things, haven’t we? Also a registered Democrat from the start and from California.
I’m going to watch the debate today.
Look at: https://www.beneficialstatebank.com/about-us Steyer's the real deal and he's proven to get things done - not just talk!
I put my ballot in the drop box yesterday. I almost died laughing when I saw how many choices were on it.
Yes ma’am. We certainly have.
Well-reasoned and cogent -- thanks!
Can’t we do both?