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Leros's avatar

Listening to these progressive young voters is more depressing than listening to 2 time Trump voters. I view 2 time Trump voters as lost: full of real and imagined grievances and devoid of critical thinking skills. But these voters do have critical thinking skills (for the most part), which makes their willingness to risk a return of Trump even more horrifying.

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Sletgatt's avatar

The problem lies with these voters not knowing their history. Trump was the most anti-Palestinian President of our lifetimes. The combined militia groups who perpetrated the Oct 7 attacks were first organized in response to Trump's unilateral declaration of Jerusalem as Israel's Capital and relocation of the American Embassy.

One girl said "at least he never funded a genocide" which shows her ignorance regarding recent history. Trump kicked the PLO out of DC and cut US aide to Palestine to nearly nothing.

His Abraham Accords sealed the deal.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/abraham-accords-peace-middle-east/

It's frustrating that these people who claim to be so engaged with the issues aren't in possession of even this superficial information. If they truly care, why aren't they investing their time to learn about it. Ugh.

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Leros's avatar

I don't entirely agree with the article or the generalization that the relocation of the US Embassy to Jerusalem was necessarily in and of itself a major contributor to the Hamas attack of Oct. 7, but it seems clear Hamas saw its influence waning in the Arab world because the Saudis and others had put the Palestinian issue on the back burner. But irrespective of that , you are correct that these young progressive voters seem ignorant of anything beyond the thrill of putting on a kaffiyeh, chanting "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free," screaming "genocide Joe" and disrupting traffic (with a touch of antisemitism thrown in for good measure). They could very well cause Biden to lose in a couple of swing states and reinstate Trump. They don't seem to care, and they won't get any sympathy from me if Trump is reinstalled. They, like Jill Green and RFK Jr., are willing to indulge in political suicide and ignore what's best for the country as a whole.

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

At least the young progressives aren't sending death threats or carrying AR15's around to intimidate those who oppose them.....you know, those kinds of behaviors that come from a lack of critical thinking skills.

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Adam's avatar

Unfortunately, that's not exactly true. At least my newsfeed has blown up over the whole Riddhi Patel mess.

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

Idiot move on her part, but no AR15, and no anonymous threats. Right out there for all to see and hear. She earned herself a million dollar bond from her remarks, while Trump can post Biden bound and gagged in the bed of pick up and he gets..... crickets. I wonder where she got the idea she could get away with what she said?

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Leros's avatar

Probably from the "I'm a young progressive and I know everything" university

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

Maybe from watching Trump get away with it. There were also a couple of the moms for liberty who got pretty far out there as well.

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Leros's avatar

Was that before or after the Moms for Liberty threesome?

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

Before, they posted some Nazi quotes on their website and then got really off the wall in some school board meetings. They quieted down after the threesome thing got exposed.

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John Robert's avatar

"Critical thinking skills"? More like Critical Theory dogma absorbed in their Grievance Studies courses.

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Leros's avatar

Admittedly a lot of the focus group participants sound indoctrinated, although some of that is no doubt their youth which tends to permit oversimplification of issues. But the depressing part is that whatever they think about a particular issue, they seem mostly ok with letting Trump win. Hard to square that circle with their purported values.

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John Robert's avatar

It's an example of the sort thinking that leads me to favor raising the voting age to 35 or possibly allowing voting at younger age for those having a house mortgage and at least one child in school.

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