The only time raw milk is safe is if it’s from your (or someone very close to your) own cow that you raised and allowed to eat the sweet grass on your own pesticide free farm. Otherwise, you have no idea where it came from or how the cows were actually raised. Personally, I buy raw milk from my sister’s nextdoor neighbor because I make c…
The only time raw milk is safe is if it’s from your (or someone very close to your) own cow that you raised and allowed to eat the sweet grass on your own pesticide free farm. Otherwise, you have no idea where it came from or how the cows were actually raised. Personally, I buy raw milk from my sister’s nextdoor neighbor because I make cheese and yogurt. Aside from this, I have to agree that unpasteurized milk can be very bad for you.
That said, I can’t believe these people. Don’t they understand that once milk started to be pasteurized child deaths from milk borne diseases dropped in half? I guess shitting yourself to death is part of the whole Take America Back! thing. (Because it’s unclear to me exactly how far back they’d like to take us.)
Honestly at this point if some small number of GOP voters would like to shit themselves to death over their freedom to consume bacteria laden food... well... let's just say I won't lose any sleep over it
I feel like that too, but is there a public health problem? Your freedom to get sick stops when you can get me sick, just as your freedom to throw a punch stops before my face begins. All animus aside (and believe me, I get that) autonomy of the body matters but not when it comes to, say, getting the measles vaccine. But honestly I don’t know if that’s a serious issue or not.
Possibly, but it seems like it would be remote? The (good?) thing about food-borne disease is that it's only really contagious to other people who have contact with a person's bodily fluids. I suppose if the raw-milk craze got big enough it could overwhelm hospitals but... I really hope it doesn't get that far
I agree— if the potentially sick milk-drinkers are just adults who actively chose it for themselves. It’s their KIDS that I worry about—they eat and drink what they’re given at home.
Those of us that drink raw milk know that. Milk from corporate cows that are milked 3X per day and spend their lives up to their knees in cow shit and are milked by minimum wage farm workers so the shareholders can make a nice profit probably should be pasteurized
Exactly why I only trust the source from whom I get mine because I know their operation is very clean and their 4 cows are quite healthy. I would never buy raw milk at a farmers market for the reasons you lay out. I mentioned organic grass because the milk that comes from cows who’ve spent their lives in a heather and sweet grass field has the most delicious flavor, not because I think that alone is what makes the milk quality.
I went through an approximately 5 year period with autumn allergies and I would go "over the border" into NYS to buy raw milk to contain the symptoms naturally. It's delicious medicine.
In states where it is legal, there is a different set of rules/inspections as I understand it. There is less room for error for farmers selling raw milk.
It makes sense to issue warnings now with the bird flu.
I’m laughing because it was my job as a child to walk two miles to get raw milk literally right from the cow. Remember all to well cow hair in milk best was when it tasted like onions from cows eating onion grass in the spring . Hence the funniest thing is I bet that if you gave these idiots two glasses of milk one pasteurized the other raw they couldn’t tell the difference I’m surprised they aren’t talking about chocolate milk from a brown cow!
There was a measle outbreak in Oregon (I think) a few years ago. Several kids died and just like that, snap, people started getting their kids vaccinated against measles. Coincidence?
Quite honestly, health departments need to start messaging the impact of various childhood diseases and how vaccinations have caused the number of deaths to decrease. Will everyone be reached with these messages? No, but if enough people are reminded of these facts during a time when deaths to preventable diseases go up, maybe some will make a connection.
I’m glad you shared about vaccinations. Retired nurse and sad when you see some of the things I’ve witnessed from kids with no vaccinations. Parents begging to give child vaccines now yet it’s always too late. There is no education that ever explains to parents what a huge chance they are taking not vaccinating their children . I have seen where they refuse to even listen to doctors over what politicians claimed . Our friends son n law (21) in a dirt bike accident hurt his knee two weeks in hospital with unbelievable infections then they found out he never had any vaccinations . His body can’t fight off newer and stronger viruses can’t give him the vaccines now it’s twenty years too late.
Thanks. It seems that when we make great leaps forward, people eventually forget how we got there and start taking things for granted. We don't always maintain an adequate level of institutional knowledge and societal learning.
The small town in which I grew up put on a polio vaccination event when I was very young (late 50s, when polio was a very real threat). The line was about a block long, and did not move terribly fast, but no one left before their children got the shot. There were lots of parents in town who wanted the polio vaccination in their children's arms. An African-American friend of mine went through the same kind of event in Birmingham AL. He said white families waited patiently in line behind black families. No one cared about anything other than getting the vaccine in their children.
Polio was a very real threat in the early 50s, and parents were willing to do whatever was available to reduce that threat. The anti-vax BS works as long as everyone other than your child is vaccinated. None of the vaccinated children will spread something to your child. The math fails when there are enough unvaccinated children to serve as a pool to host the virus.
Very true. There were some kids who cannot be vaccinated for various health/medical reasons and their parents were very concerned with what they can do to protect their children. Having a high vaccination rate protects both the vaccinated and those that cannot be vaccinated. As much as people want their individual liberties, our society does best when we can make the common good just as important.
One thing about making yoghurt from milk is that the fermentation process can kill a bunch of bacteria if it is done to completion. I read a study done on milk in East Africa that showed the level of Brucella contamination in milk was reduced almost to zero when it was left in the sun to ferment for a day. Other bacteria may not be so susceptible to low pH in the milk.
The only time raw milk is safe is if it’s from your (or someone very close to your) own cow that you raised and allowed to eat the sweet grass on your own pesticide free farm. Otherwise, you have no idea where it came from or how the cows were actually raised. Personally, I buy raw milk from my sister’s nextdoor neighbor because I make cheese and yogurt. Aside from this, I have to agree that unpasteurized milk can be very bad for you.
That said, I can’t believe these people. Don’t they understand that once milk started to be pasteurized child deaths from milk borne diseases dropped in half? I guess shitting yourself to death is part of the whole Take America Back! thing. (Because it’s unclear to me exactly how far back they’d like to take us.)
Honestly at this point if some small number of GOP voters would like to shit themselves to death over their freedom to consume bacteria laden food... well... let's just say I won't lose any sleep over it
I feel like that too, but is there a public health problem? Your freedom to get sick stops when you can get me sick, just as your freedom to throw a punch stops before my face begins. All animus aside (and believe me, I get that) autonomy of the body matters but not when it comes to, say, getting the measles vaccine. But honestly I don’t know if that’s a serious issue or not.
Possibly, but it seems like it would be remote? The (good?) thing about food-borne disease is that it's only really contagious to other people who have contact with a person's bodily fluids. I suppose if the raw-milk craze got big enough it could overwhelm hospitals but... I really hope it doesn't get that far
Me neither. Good riddance.
I agree— if the potentially sick milk-drinkers are just adults who actively chose it for themselves. It’s their KIDS that I worry about—they eat and drink what they’re given at home.
Marry me, Hillary!
Raw milk is not safe. The bacterial growth is not dependent on whether they're out on pesticide free pasture or not.
It's how immaculate your equipment is, how well that udder is cleaned, and how the milk itself is handled.
Those of us that drink raw milk know that. Milk from corporate cows that are milked 3X per day and spend their lives up to their knees in cow shit and are milked by minimum wage farm workers so the shareholders can make a nice profit probably should be pasteurized
Exactly why I only trust the source from whom I get mine because I know their operation is very clean and their 4 cows are quite healthy. I would never buy raw milk at a farmers market for the reasons you lay out. I mentioned organic grass because the milk that comes from cows who’ve spent their lives in a heather and sweet grass field has the most delicious flavor, not because I think that alone is what makes the milk quality.
I went through an approximately 5 year period with autumn allergies and I would go "over the border" into NYS to buy raw milk to contain the symptoms naturally. It's delicious medicine.
In states where it is legal, there is a different set of rules/inspections as I understand it. There is less room for error for farmers selling raw milk.
It makes sense to issue warnings now with the bird flu.
I’m laughing because it was my job as a child to walk two miles to get raw milk literally right from the cow. Remember all to well cow hair in milk best was when it tasted like onions from cows eating onion grass in the spring . Hence the funniest thing is I bet that if you gave these idiots two glasses of milk one pasteurized the other raw they couldn’t tell the difference I’m surprised they aren’t talking about chocolate milk from a brown cow!
Did you ever try milk from a cow that ate bitterweed?
There was a measle outbreak in Oregon (I think) a few years ago. Several kids died and just like that, snap, people started getting their kids vaccinated against measles. Coincidence?
Quite honestly, health departments need to start messaging the impact of various childhood diseases and how vaccinations have caused the number of deaths to decrease. Will everyone be reached with these messages? No, but if enough people are reminded of these facts during a time when deaths to preventable diseases go up, maybe some will make a connection.
I’m glad you shared about vaccinations. Retired nurse and sad when you see some of the things I’ve witnessed from kids with no vaccinations. Parents begging to give child vaccines now yet it’s always too late. There is no education that ever explains to parents what a huge chance they are taking not vaccinating their children . I have seen where they refuse to even listen to doctors over what politicians claimed . Our friends son n law (21) in a dirt bike accident hurt his knee two weeks in hospital with unbelievable infections then they found out he never had any vaccinations . His body can’t fight off newer and stronger viruses can’t give him the vaccines now it’s twenty years too late.
Thanks. It seems that when we make great leaps forward, people eventually forget how we got there and start taking things for granted. We don't always maintain an adequate level of institutional knowledge and societal learning.
The small town in which I grew up put on a polio vaccination event when I was very young (late 50s, when polio was a very real threat). The line was about a block long, and did not move terribly fast, but no one left before their children got the shot. There were lots of parents in town who wanted the polio vaccination in their children's arms. An African-American friend of mine went through the same kind of event in Birmingham AL. He said white families waited patiently in line behind black families. No one cared about anything other than getting the vaccine in their children.
Polio was a very real threat in the early 50s, and parents were willing to do whatever was available to reduce that threat. The anti-vax BS works as long as everyone other than your child is vaccinated. None of the vaccinated children will spread something to your child. The math fails when there are enough unvaccinated children to serve as a pool to host the virus.
Very true. There were some kids who cannot be vaccinated for various health/medical reasons and their parents were very concerned with what they can do to protect their children. Having a high vaccination rate protects both the vaccinated and those that cannot be vaccinated. As much as people want their individual liberties, our society does best when we can make the common good just as important.
Raw milk is safe if comes directly from your mother to you. But at that point in your life it isn’t your decision.
19th C, for starters.
In 1975 in Santa Fe, I had raw milk delivered to make yogurt.
One thing about making yoghurt from milk is that the fermentation process can kill a bunch of bacteria if it is done to completion. I read a study done on milk in East Africa that showed the level of Brucella contamination in milk was reduced almost to zero when it was left in the sun to ferment for a day. Other bacteria may not be so susceptible to low pH in the milk.