Does England use the Bible to decide what laws to make? Their prime minister is Hindu. They are by most standards a secular liberal democracy. How are they currently a Christian nation in any meaningful way? The Church of England is an atavistic leftover from a heinous past full of atrocities, much like the monarchy and the house of lord…
Does England use the Bible to decide what laws to make? Their prime minister is Hindu. They are by most standards a secular liberal democracy. How are they currently a Christian nation in any meaningful way? The Church of England is an atavistic leftover from a heinous past full of atrocities, much like the monarchy and the house of lords, it should no longer have a place in governance.
I'll give you that they were once a Christian nation. During that period they persecuted a lot of religious minorities, including Jews and other Christians. Not really a great example for a modern state to emulate.
The head of state is also the head of the national church in England but I agree with you that England is more tied up trying to define who is English right now than whether they’re all Christians.
Sunak is on his way out, though. Who knows what happens when he’s gone. It could be the Crusades.
The King opens Parliament and is visited weekly by the PM, who delivers a status report. England has an unwritten constitution so both of those things are holdovers, but you’re right, royalty doesn’t actually legislate.
The Head of State in GB and the Commonwealth is the monarch, though.
Come on Kim. This is just being argumentative. The king has no role in government. None. In fact he is not allowed to really comment on anything to do with governing
The comparison was England to Israel. There is nothing remotely similar between the two countries now. There is no country like Israel. It’s unique because it is (1) a ethnostate and (2) is a democracy. To some extent EVERY country has been thinning you look historically. It is closer to South Africa in 80s and the US before the civil war. That’s why it breaks everyone’s brains.
Most countries in Europe were exactly this as well in the 1600s - 1800s. They solved it the same way we did. Wars and ethnic cleansing.
Not at all. I’m an atheist. I accept that there are many religions in the world and it is important to them. There are many Christian nations, Muslim nations, etc. I have no problem with Jewish people having a Jewish nation. I have lived in other countries and enjoyed it but I prefer it here in the states where I do not have to pay a “church” tax.
But that's my point. Why should a certain religion get more control over the people than the people themselves?
(let's set aside for now the fact that in the case of Israel it's not just religious but ethnic as well, which means certain types of Jews aren't included)
These religious states are leftovers from an older, objectively worse world. We shouldn't want them to be our future. The people of Israel deserve freedom and equality, regardless of their religion or ethnicity.
Israel is unique in that it is majority Jewish and people of other religions want to kill them. This is why there are only about 15 million Jewish people on the planet. There are more Muslims in Russia than there are Jews in Israel. I think progressives are being a little too idealistic in thinking they can create a Democratic Palestine and everyone (Christian, Muslims and Jews) will be one free big happy family. In reality, we would just watch another Jewish Holocaust for this century.
Does England use the Bible to decide what laws to make? Their prime minister is Hindu. They are by most standards a secular liberal democracy. How are they currently a Christian nation in any meaningful way? The Church of England is an atavistic leftover from a heinous past full of atrocities, much like the monarchy and the house of lords, it should no longer have a place in governance.
I'll give you that they were once a Christian nation. During that period they persecuted a lot of religious minorities, including Jews and other Christians. Not really a great example for a modern state to emulate.
The head of state is also the head of the national church in England but I agree with you that England is more tied up trying to define who is English right now than whether they’re all Christians.
Sunak is on his way out, though. Who knows what happens when he’s gone. It could be the Crusades.
Kim this isn’t true. The king, who has nothing to do with t)3 government, is the head of the church
The King opens Parliament and is visited weekly by the PM, who delivers a status report. England has an unwritten constitution so both of those things are holdovers, but you’re right, royalty doesn’t actually legislate.
The Head of State in GB and the Commonwealth is the monarch, though.
Come on Kim. This is just being argumentative. The king has no role in government. None. In fact he is not allowed to really comment on anything to do with governing
Ok. I don’t know what the argument is. I said England wasn’t a Christian country. Go far enough back and it didn’t start out one, either.
The comparison was England to Israel. There is nothing remotely similar between the two countries now. There is no country like Israel. It’s unique because it is (1) a ethnostate and (2) is a democracy. To some extent EVERY country has been thinning you look historically. It is closer to South Africa in 80s and the US before the civil war. That’s why it breaks everyone’s brains.
Most countries in Europe were exactly this as well in the 1600s - 1800s. They solved it the same way we did. Wars and ethnic cleansing.
Oh, sorry. I was just responding to the discussion of whether England was a Christian state. My responses on Israel are higher up in another thread.
Yes. The Church of England is integrated into their parliament.
The Church of England is headed by the KING. he has nothing to do with governing. This is factually incorrect
So I take it from your position that you would be totally fine with the US becoming an officially "Christian nation"? With all that entails.
Not at all. I’m an atheist. I accept that there are many religions in the world and it is important to them. There are many Christian nations, Muslim nations, etc. I have no problem with Jewish people having a Jewish nation. I have lived in other countries and enjoyed it but I prefer it here in the states where I do not have to pay a “church” tax.
But that's my point. Why should a certain religion get more control over the people than the people themselves?
(let's set aside for now the fact that in the case of Israel it's not just religious but ethnic as well, which means certain types of Jews aren't included)
These religious states are leftovers from an older, objectively worse world. We shouldn't want them to be our future. The people of Israel deserve freedom and equality, regardless of their religion or ethnicity.
Israel is unique in that it is majority Jewish and people of other religions want to kill them. This is why there are only about 15 million Jewish people on the planet. There are more Muslims in Russia than there are Jews in Israel. I think progressives are being a little too idealistic in thinking they can create a Democratic Palestine and everyone (Christian, Muslims and Jews) will be one free big happy family. In reality, we would just watch another Jewish Holocaust for this century.
Yep. I’m not sure that would trouble as many folks as we think.