Have an amazing holiday, JVL. Enjoyed you sitting in for Charlie. You’re not as mean as Tim.
Standout pods this week. Maybe the one with James Carville was the my fave (MAGA created Trump, not vice-versa) or when Sunny took over Beg to Differ or ... the high wire act of Tim’s pods. Just finished Mr. Miller’s book and I’m recommending …
Have an amazing holiday, JVL. Enjoyed you sitting in for Charlie. You’re not as mean as Tim.
Standout pods this week. Maybe the one with James Carville was the my fave (MAGA created Trump, not vice-versa) or when Sunny took over Beg to Differ or ... the high wire act of Tim’s pods. Just finished Mr. Miller’s book and I’m recommending to everyone. My husband is tired of me quoting from it.
I had a point. JVL gets it. I voted for Biden and I wish him well, I want him to be a popular and successful president. Mr. mel ladi and I had the same issue with his speech as JVL did. If only POTUS hadn’t headed into policy. I don’t agree with all of the Dems social policy positions and I shouldn’t have to for President Biden to be my President. People of good will can disagree on policy but we should agree on the current danger to the country from a man who respects no laws or norms or even democracy.
I’m about as anti-Trump as it gets but even the Trumpers are my fellow citizens and Biden is their president, too. I want him there when they’re ready to become real Americans again.
Hi mel. You do have a point. And it's a good one, as is usually the case when you post a comment. But there's a problem, and it's summed up in your line about "People of good will can disagree on policy but we should agree on the current danger to the country..."
People of good will can - and many do - take this viewpoint. This comments section is full of them every day. The problem is the lack of good will and, concomitantly, good faith among the Rs in elected office, those seeking office, and the millions in the body politic who drive this vicious snake-eating-its-tail cycle of hateful, hyper-divisive rhetoric, lies and misinformation, veiled threats, and outright calls for violence. That they will ever be "ready to become real Americans again" in significant numbers is, I believe, in serious doubt, since they already view themselves in that way and it is the rest of us who are the un-American turncoats and traitors.
The threat these people pose to our nation must be acknowledged clearly and accurately, and I don't think any folks of good will and good faith should shrink from the task, whether it's Joe Biden or the ordinary man on the street. I understand and respect your desire for our "fellow citizens" to become "real Americans" again. And that would please me no end. But I believe the reality is that it will be a generation-long struggle to rid ourselves of this kind of hyper-divisive and dangerous politics, basically through the process of attrition and containment. Meantime, I think the only way to effectively face and contain this threat so that that process can begin is for people of good will and good faith, who believe in our liberal democracy and its institutions of government, to clearly acknowledge in plain language what the threat is and exactly from whom and where it's coming. That this may further alienate those already lost to reason and the powers of cogent persuasion should be of minimal concern to the rest of us, if at all.
It does give me heart and hope that there are many more people like you and the others here at the B and elsewhere who can agree on the current danger while disagreeing on less important issues, since I see the current danger as the most important issue of all. Thanks to you - and to all here - for being one of the 'good guys'. And have a great holiday.
Great points. Marjorie and her kind cannot come back from where they are and that’s a problem with no easy or quick solution. Not to mention the billionaires like Thiel funding this madness.
He's been known to be very mean. But it's usually also funny. But "wicked wit" applies to our darling Tim. (He spent years being mean to Libs and Progs like me... and old habits die hard. His salvation is the funny part. As long as he never loses his sense of humor and humility, I'm okay with his meanness, unless it's directed at me personally, then I'm the one who loses her sense of humor... yes, I'm working on that.)
And those "real Americans" are calling for Biden to be executed, assassinated, etc., via online death threats. And in Wisconsin, the R running for governor is calling for "people should just, just be ready to get out on the streets with pitchforks and torches". They proved Biden's speech to a T.
Have an amazing holiday, JVL. Enjoyed you sitting in for Charlie. You’re not as mean as Tim.
Standout pods this week. Maybe the one with James Carville was the my fave (MAGA created Trump, not vice-versa) or when Sunny took over Beg to Differ or ... the high wire act of Tim’s pods. Just finished Mr. Miller’s book and I’m recommending to everyone. My husband is tired of me quoting from it.
I had a point. JVL gets it. I voted for Biden and I wish him well, I want him to be a popular and successful president. Mr. mel ladi and I had the same issue with his speech as JVL did. If only POTUS hadn’t headed into policy. I don’t agree with all of the Dems social policy positions and I shouldn’t have to for President Biden to be my President. People of good will can disagree on policy but we should agree on the current danger to the country from a man who respects no laws or norms or even democracy.
I’m about as anti-Trump as it gets but even the Trumpers are my fellow citizens and Biden is their president, too. I want him there when they’re ready to become real Americans again.
Hi mel. You do have a point. And it's a good one, as is usually the case when you post a comment. But there's a problem, and it's summed up in your line about "People of good will can disagree on policy but we should agree on the current danger to the country..."
People of good will can - and many do - take this viewpoint. This comments section is full of them every day. The problem is the lack of good will and, concomitantly, good faith among the Rs in elected office, those seeking office, and the millions in the body politic who drive this vicious snake-eating-its-tail cycle of hateful, hyper-divisive rhetoric, lies and misinformation, veiled threats, and outright calls for violence. That they will ever be "ready to become real Americans again" in significant numbers is, I believe, in serious doubt, since they already view themselves in that way and it is the rest of us who are the un-American turncoats and traitors.
The threat these people pose to our nation must be acknowledged clearly and accurately, and I don't think any folks of good will and good faith should shrink from the task, whether it's Joe Biden or the ordinary man on the street. I understand and respect your desire for our "fellow citizens" to become "real Americans" again. And that would please me no end. But I believe the reality is that it will be a generation-long struggle to rid ourselves of this kind of hyper-divisive and dangerous politics, basically through the process of attrition and containment. Meantime, I think the only way to effectively face and contain this threat so that that process can begin is for people of good will and good faith, who believe in our liberal democracy and its institutions of government, to clearly acknowledge in plain language what the threat is and exactly from whom and where it's coming. That this may further alienate those already lost to reason and the powers of cogent persuasion should be of minimal concern to the rest of us, if at all.
It does give me heart and hope that there are many more people like you and the others here at the B and elsewhere who can agree on the current danger while disagreeing on less important issues, since I see the current danger as the most important issue of all. Thanks to you - and to all here - for being one of the 'good guys'. And have a great holiday.
Great points. Marjorie and her kind cannot come back from where they are and that’s a problem with no easy or quick solution. Not to mention the billionaires like Thiel funding this madness.
I don't think Tim is mean, but he is incisive and direct.
He's been known to be very mean. But it's usually also funny. But "wicked wit" applies to our darling Tim. (He spent years being mean to Libs and Progs like me... and old habits die hard. His salvation is the funny part. As long as he never loses his sense of humor and humility, I'm okay with his meanness, unless it's directed at me personally, then I'm the one who loses her sense of humor... yes, I'm working on that.)
And those "real Americans" are calling for Biden to be executed, assassinated, etc., via online death threats. And in Wisconsin, the R running for governor is calling for "people should just, just be ready to get out on the streets with pitchforks and torches". They proved Biden's speech to a T.