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Re: Mars Sux

Among other things, I was the staff director for the Committee on Planetary and Lunar Exploration (COMPLEX) in the late 1980s-early 1990s at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington, DC. The Academy and NASA created COMPLEX and other space science committees and boards (years earlier) to advise NASA on science strategies for exploring the heavens and to analyze major space science and engineering issues and policies. We focused mostly on missions still in formation, but also on those in the pipeline facing significant problems. Most of these projects were highly challenging, very expensive, and saddled with great bureaucratic inefficiencies that consistently blew up the original budgets and timelines. The scientific results, especially for the outer planets in the solar system or in space astronomy, were usually available two or three decades after conception.

As long as the nation remained committed to funding a space program , however, the central involvement of the government in carrying out these robotic space science missions was essential because there was little direct economic payoff and the robotic missions were creating knowledge and exploring outer space as a public good in the public interest. What was much more unforgiving, expensive, and inefficient was the human exploration program, which I view as a big public works program in space that should never have been carried out by the government. Even in the 1980s there was sizable private sector interest in human exploration, but NASA effectively quashed that. Moreover, even the space scientists disliked the human projects, but tolerated them because as long as NASA conducted them, a sizable fraction (about 20% at that time) went to robotic scientific exploration.

This experience leads me to several conclusions:

- Any human space exploration should be done by the private sector, perhaps with some very limited government subsidies. The government would be hopelessly inefficient and a human Mars mission would be astronomically costly, while the milestones would continually slip...and slip. The experience of the past several decades supports this conclusion with certainty. A human Mars exploration program would be infinitely more expensive and the biggest boondoggle, befitting a rich nation with absolutely no moral compass.

If the private sector, led by the likes of Messrs. Musk or Bezos or their progeny, wants to take this on, they would be ill advised and wasteful, but it would be their decision. The private-sector program would still suffer from the governmental problems identified above, but presumably to a much lesser extent. The government socialization of their misadventures would have to be strictly contained, however, which would likely pose the greatest public problem. This issue may not be successfully addressed, so even a private sector program would be a major problem, likely resulting in a de facto public-private partnership.

Finally, there are many much more urgent uses of hundreds of billions of dollars facing humanity now and most certainly in the future. In the context of outer space, though, such vanity exploration dreams could be offset by a much less expensive robotic science program. In fact, if current billionaires want to be the modern Vasco de Gamas of space, they could partner with NASA to explore the heavens robotically, which would most certainly be "faster, cheaper, and better" than by humans.

Apologies for the long post.

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<<<<It’s also worth noting that the AP/NORC poll showed that a meager 31% approve of how Biden has handled the economy, regularly the most important voting issue for a majority of voters.>>>>>

This is crazy. We have the lowest unemployment in over 50 years. Prices are high, but are going down in some areas especially gas prices. Wages are high. My son recently went to a job fair and he said people were begging him to come work for them. Some offering $10,000 signing bonuses in great areas like Palm Springs CA. and Tucson AZ.

I'm old enough to remember many recessions and periods of inflation and this ain't it.

The main reason for everyone being worried about the economy is because if there is a Democratic president the economy must be bad. Which is actually not true. If the media would just report the truth of the economy, people wouldn't be worried. I read in the Bulwark that the inevitable recession has not happened yet. They could have been rewritten: happily, we are not in a recession. Give me a break. We are not stupid and can understand economic indicators.

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