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Mike Lew's avatar

"Decadent boredom commingled with casual nihilism." Absolutely perfect! That's why you're a pro and I'm just a goofball commenter.

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I am not sure I agree about any of this, JVL. At least, not with your analogies, because I view them in an entirely different light. Let me try to explain.

When revolutions fail, the revolutionaries usually face severe consequences... But only if those revolutionaries are from the bottom trying to go for those at the top. In these cases, what you're looking at is something akin to the Iranian revolution, or the Boxer Rebellion, or in America the whiskey rebellion. But when it comes to revolutions in general, there's usually not a huge penalty for the revolution until it turns into a military coup.

For example, the founders of America would have been tried and hanged as traitors, but only at the point where they declared independence. Consider how much rebellion had been going on before that moment happened; there was a lot of tea party-ing and tar and feathering going on, and no one lost their heads. In the French Revolution, the people revolting were not the peasants in the countryside but the rich men of the third estate; men who owned businesses and yet could not break into the upper crust of landed nobility and clergy. Had they kept on without the violence, it is unlikely most of them would have lost their heads, because there was no real way for the state to punish them.

Consider the Russian Revolution as well. How many times had Lenin attempted to engineer the collapse of the state, only for it to result in him being exiled to Germany and Siberia, not executed? In Haiti, the revolution was of rich black men against rich white men, and after they gained independence the first thing they did was pass laws ensuring that the former slaves now couldn't change jobs, lest the economy collapse.

Because you see, 'revolutions' are always due to the bored, affluent class. The ones with money and education and time to think about things like government theory. Poor people do not have any of those things; they're too busy trying to make ends meet. That is why when they rise up, we do not call it a revolution, we call it a revolt, even if they are revolutionary.

Even Hitler's putsch resulted not in his execution, but his imprisonment, and he still made it back to power after the fact. As a man who had once hoped to attend art school, he was hardly a peasant.

In my view, most revolutions occur because there are a lot of people who desire power, who possess means, who are not themselves in power. These people, who believe they deserve power, then agitate, and they possess the time and means to spread ideas and concepts to the people who will actually be fighting and dying for them. But these ideas do not start in the hands of the poor and work up; they start in the hands of the affluent and move down.

In other words, a middle class is required for prosperity, but it is ALWAYS the middle class who becomes revolutionary. The men of the American Revolution were middle class by the standards of the day; not rich nobles with titles, not poor workers and farmers. The men who made up the third estate in France, the men who served in the politboros of Russia; these were middle class men. The rich are never revolutionary, because they have too much to lose. The poor don't have time or education to be able to act on their desires, and when they do it becomes revolt, not revolution.

The middle class is also the class that spreads the most radical ideas. The moral puritanism that spread in England during the industrial revolution was not started in the houses of the elite, but the factories of the middle class who sought a way to control their workers. The beliefs of the French Revolution were fermented in the Salons, not the noble estates of the rich.

Revolution then, is about a class of people with money, but not power, who desire power, and see a chance to wield the poor against the rich in order to become the new rich themselves.

Furthermore, Trumpism has MANY ideas. It's ideas are simply reactionary in nature. White men should rule, there are only 'real' Americans and 'fake Americans,' religion should be observed in the name of the state, the purpose of government is to harm your enemies. It's all there, and they will articulate these ideas to you if you listen. That's not 'no ideas' it's simply that they are old ideas, and that's the nature of every reactionary movement.

The conservatives in Iran, for example, said basically all the same things as Trumpist do, they just substituted the Koran for the Bible. What Trump and his ilk want is something akin to a christian Saudi Arabia or Iran, a nation where religion and power is used by the wealthy against their enemies for the explicit purpose of enriching themselves. That's a very powerful idea.

Furthermore, I do not believe that defeat at the ballot box means that people suddenly abandon their ideas. When Kennedy, LBJ, and Carter were elected, the GOP didn't think 'guess we need to abandon our anti-communism stance and our jingoism.' They put up men like Nixon and Reagan. They put up men like Barry Goldwater. It's a fiction to think that movements change because of electoral defeats; most of the time, they double down and wait for their enemies to collapse under the weight of their responsibilities. It's only when the old guard die off that new ideas are infused into the political mainstream; younger people who see the people who came before as out of touch. But they themselves don't radically shift their views based on what the opinion polls say.

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