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SandyG's avatar

Another Dem ad that writes itself: Do you know how many times Trump declared bankruptcy? (Then illustrate that.) Now he wants to put tariffs on the goods you are now buying from China, ___, and ___. That's gonna hurt you, the consumer. Don't let him bankrupt the USA. Vote for Joe.

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Linda Oliver's avatar

Real discussion I had with MAGA about this:

Me:

Do you know of his bankruptcies (3 casinos and the Plaza Hotel), failed Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, Trump Shuttle, Trump Mortgage, and Trump University, which folded after lawsuits. There was also the Trump Foundation, from which he had to pay out $2 million dollars to 8 ACTUAL charities, admit heтАЩd used funds from it to promote his presidential bid and pay off business debts, and disburse the remaining funds to more actual charities.

This is the kind of businessman you think is ideal to run America.

MAGA:

Exactly right. He is familiar with taking a company thru the process of bankruptcy and is experienced in navigating receivership. Lawyers bankrupted America, now a businessman has to lead us back to prosperity.

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SandyG's avatar

Two comments, Linda: 1. MAGA is not the audience for the ad. The swing voters are. 2. If it were me getting that MAGA response - lawyers bankrupted America - I would say, "So you say. Prove it." They can't, and no one EVER asks them to. It usually shuts them up.

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Linda Oliver's avatar

1.YouтАЩre right about the audience for the ad. I need to remember that.

2. The follow up was:

Me:

I canтАЩt see multiple bankruptcies and fraud convictions as a sign of great business acumen anymore than I see multiple wrongful death suits and disciplinary actions as a sign of a competent surgeon, especially when they propose to carve on me.

MAGA:

You would be looking forward to Obamas's fourth term? And to the "Death to America" campaign . . . Biden's all worn out; time for Michelle to gird her loins and step up as the new puppet.

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SandyG's avatar

Linda, speaking of insecurities, I just came across this. (I'm cleaning out computer files.) The article is titled "Analytic thinking reduces belief in conspiracy theories". That is why I never believed in conspiracy theories which I noted below. I'm VERY analytical!

Here's a quote from the article: ". . . studies have reported relatively reliable associations between stronger belief in conspiracy theories (where the ultimate cause of an event is believed to be due to a plot by multiple actors working together with a clear goal in mind, often unlawfully and in secret) and a number of psychological constructs, such as greater distrust in authority, higher political cynicism, lower self-esteem, greater authoritarianism, and paranormal beliefs"(https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0010027714001632?via%3Dihub).

I think they get some kind of confidence in the belief and hanging out fellow believers.

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Linda Oliver's avatar

Interesting paper. I agree with you about the gaining of confidence in the belief, and the affirmation provided by hanging out with the like-minded. But I see a greater trust in authority, itтАЩs just that the authority is, for them, vested in one man (Q and/or Trump, in our current quagmire); they also seem MORE inclined to be politically engaged, like the QAnon people.

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SandyG's avatar

The authority they mistrust is the establishment who's screwing them. The authority they trust is a con man.

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SandyG's avatar

Ah, MAGA racism. As I've often quoted someone (unknown), "There's always been a George Wallace faction in US politics. They used to be Democrats. Now they're Republicans."

You know, I've come to understand that people who believe in conspiracies are insecure people. The belief gives them something, and their joining with others also gives them something. That's why you can't argue them out of the conspiracy. They have to believe it and be with others that also believe. This is what's underneath the Trump cult, I think. It fills an emotional need.

Long ago, coming out of a childhood trauma, I had that same insecurity (but I never believed in conspiracies). I no longer do, but I recognize the lack of confidence it brings.

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