Because nuance isn't something we do well in this country.......it probably never occurred to whoever (f---ing idiot) made this decision that allowing this guy out on such a low $$$ wasn't a good idea. We really have A LOT of genuinely stupid people incapable of speaking truth to power. Maybe any crime involving a deadly weapon should au…
Because nuance isn't something we do well in this country.......it probably never occurred to whoever (f---ing idiot) made this decision that allowing this guy out on such a low $$$ wasn't a good idea. We really have A LOT of genuinely stupid people incapable of speaking truth to power. Maybe any crime involving a deadly weapon should automatically make the bail amount $10,000? Maybe a career violent criminal should automatically make the bail amount $20,000? There is no reason this guy should have been out and about.
Wisconsin seems to be dropping ALL the balls lately....you guys are giving Florida a run for its money.
Bail can be unaffordable for the right defendant, regardless of their economic status. Some guys just pose too high a risk to one particular person to be released pending trial whether they are poor or not. The fact that the cash bail system punishes poor people is certainly an issue that needs addressing, particularly with regard to the predatory bail bond system. The poor and rich alike can do some pretty awful things to people, however.
I don't dispute your position regarding crimes of poverty and addiction, but with violent crime and domestic violence in particular, race, economic status and gender aren't factors in determining the risk posed to a specific victim. These risk assessment tools have been in place for decades, and not a single one considers economic status as predictive of future violence. Domestic violence knows no economic or racial boundaries. Some people are just bad, regardless of where they come from, how much money they make, their race, and gender.
No prosecutor wants to be the person who agreed to such a low bond before the offender commits another crime. Most prosecutors, especially those who are elected, should be able to make that judgement call quite easily. This one wasn't close. Pursuing social justice and equality is a noble cause. It is much less so when human lives are sacrificed because of it.
Yeah, I don't think I agree with that. Bail that is "unaffordable" is set all the time if the crime is serious AND the person is deemed a flight risk. But the irony of the 8th Amendment is while bail can't be "excessive" (for example a judge setting bail at $1 billion) it can be denied altogether under the right circumstances.
Because nuance isn't something we do well in this country.......it probably never occurred to whoever (f---ing idiot) made this decision that allowing this guy out on such a low $$$ wasn't a good idea. We really have A LOT of genuinely stupid people incapable of speaking truth to power. Maybe any crime involving a deadly weapon should automatically make the bail amount $10,000? Maybe a career violent criminal should automatically make the bail amount $20,000? There is no reason this guy should have been out and about.
Wisconsin seems to be dropping ALL the balls lately....you guys are giving Florida a run for its money.
Bail can be unaffordable for the right defendant, regardless of their economic status. Some guys just pose too high a risk to one particular person to be released pending trial whether they are poor or not. The fact that the cash bail system punishes poor people is certainly an issue that needs addressing, particularly with regard to the predatory bail bond system. The poor and rich alike can do some pretty awful things to people, however.
I don't dispute your position regarding crimes of poverty and addiction, but with violent crime and domestic violence in particular, race, economic status and gender aren't factors in determining the risk posed to a specific victim. These risk assessment tools have been in place for decades, and not a single one considers economic status as predictive of future violence. Domestic violence knows no economic or racial boundaries. Some people are just bad, regardless of where they come from, how much money they make, their race, and gender.
No prosecutor wants to be the person who agreed to such a low bond before the offender commits another crime. Most prosecutors, especially those who are elected, should be able to make that judgement call quite easily. This one wasn't close. Pursuing social justice and equality is a noble cause. It is much less so when human lives are sacrificed because of it.
What say you about our most violent domestic abusers? Can we at least agree on that?
Yeah, I don't think I agree with that. Bail that is "unaffordable" is set all the time if the crime is serious AND the person is deemed a flight risk. But the irony of the 8th Amendment is while bail can't be "excessive" (for example a judge setting bail at $1 billion) it can be denied altogether under the right circumstances.
Serious question Charlie, I am not a lawyer.....who decides affordability?
I would guess that ultimately it would be up to the legislature to decide those questions and enact them into law.