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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

So tear it all down and start over with Trump in charge?

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Austin Ruse's avatar

I am hoping for internal revolutions at each of the institutions.

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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

Do you have any idea how radicalized you sound?

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Austin Ruse's avatar

Do you realize how radicalized millions of us have become over what has happened these past years?

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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

Yes. Radicalized by the cult of Trump.

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Austin Ruse's avatar

And I would add that many of the fine people that I know in these institutions are also deeply troubled about what has happened to them.

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Austin Ruse's avatar

I was very much an institutionalist. I live and work in the Washington DC Milieux, and have for a few decades, and I know many fine people at the FBI, CIA, State Department, so on and so forth, but after what we have witnessed over these past several years, having to do with Trump, I no longer trust any of these institutions.

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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

So none of these “problems” existed prior to Trump? And you believe everything Trump says over anything these institutions say?

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Austin Ruse's avatar

Oh of course they did. I think less so. But what happened to Trump made us realize these are deep seated problems.

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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

And again, you believe everything Trump says over anything these institutions say? Even though you admitted earlier that all pols lie all the time?

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Austin Ruse's avatar

I do not trust these institutions. Period. They have become almost thoroughly corrupt. Who would have thought they rather moms and dads at school boards? Or traditional Catholics? My mother, an 87 year old Methodist, no longer trusts these institutions. If you lost me and my mother, you’ve lost half of America.

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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

And I notice you continue to dodge the question about believing everything Trump says. Do you?

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Sumi Ink 🇨🇦's avatar

I asked you this earlier and you didn't answer so I'll ask again: Please name your news sources?

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

Austen this is what I don't get. It's Trump's hand picked staffers that testified against him during the Jan 6 committee hearings. It's been Trump's legal and campaign staff who have pled guilty or turned state's evidence in GA and elsewhere. These aren't deep state or Dems. They are people he himself chose to work with. Why doesn't that compute with his supporters? These weren't CIA, FBI, Secret Service, or State Department hacks on the stand. They were Trump's people. It's delusional to refuse to face these facts.

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Austin Ruse's avatar

Who are you thinking about?

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

Too many to list, but this is a start: Barr, Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Cipillone, Philbin, Sydney Powell, Weisselberg, McConney, even Yvanka Trump testified she knew her father had lost to Biden.

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Austin Ruse's avatar

They were required to, no?

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Colleen Kochivar-Baker's avatar

No, there were others who did not testify, refused to testify or did not submit themselves to subpoenas. They were also all his handpicked people. Bannon even lost a court case and is awaiting sentencing. Still no Dems or deep staters.

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