Too many to list, but this is a start: Barr, Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Cipillone, Philbin, Sydney Powell, Weisselberg, McConney, even Yvanka Trump testified she knew her father had lost to Biden.
No, there were others who did not testify, refused to testify or did not submit themselves to subpoenas. They were also all his handpicked people. Bannon even lost a court case and is awaiting sentencing. Still no Dems or deep staters.
Austin, my point is Trump is in the position he is, with all those indictments on the basis of his own people testifying against him. The Dems aren't giving evidence. The Deep State isn't giving evidence. His own people alone are giving all the evidence and they weren't all compelled. You can't compel people who won't honor subpoenas. The GOP committee on the Biden impeachment may have the fun of dealing with the same issue. My guess is they won't have a platoon of Biden's staff coming in before them to freely offer evidence to impeach him.
Here's the thing about being compelled to give evidence, and this shoudl bother you. The government is extremely powerful. No single person can stand up to the threats the government can level, most especially the federal government. There are people from J6 who are admitting to interference with a government procedure, along with months and years of prison, because they government is forcing them. Own up to this one count or we are coming after you on six. Your two years may become 20. This is one of the reason I no longer trust our judicial system. I think it is corrupt. I hvae a lot of sympathy now for black radicals back in the 60s and Muslims prosecuted during the horrific global war on terror. This is where left and right ought to come together.
Yes, the DOJ doesn't screw around and they have all the power. Michael Cohen has made this point endlessly, and as much as I find Cohen almost as big a narcissist as Trump, he's been dead on about this. I have a slightly different take as to why both right and left might come together on this aspect of the DOJ. J6'rs also got convicted with a ton of video evidence just like Chauvin did in the Floyd incident. Video may turn out to be one tool that takes some of the power away from the justice system and puts it in the hands of juries. Maybe. I remember back when Hoover was head of the FBI and I thought it was pretty much a rogue operation terrorizing even our presidents and seemingly accountable to no one, and I remember the Church committee hearings of the seventies that exposed the CIA's MKULTRA program. I was a big believer in the deep state back then. Now I'm a little more sanguine but could easily revert if Congress doesn't start taking their oversight responsibilities more seriously.
I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored. For instance, there is a radical black group in St. Louis that is under federal indictment for supposedly working for the Russians. Where once I might have applauded, now I have a lot of sympathy for them and their plight. My trust is shot.
Be interested in seeing how that one plays out. Russians were hitting black groups with tons of disinformation to work up racial unrest. This is another one where I will wait for the jury to chime in.
People are going to jail for merely walking into the Capitol building, not damaging anything, and walking out. They got them on tape, certainly. But you are fine with that?
I presume you were/are in favor of releasing all the tapes?
I'm Ok with it for misdemeanor trespass. Lots of BLM folks got similar charges. The big sentences were handed down after juries found them guilty of the charges.
most of the j6 cases are not going to juries because they are being pled out...accept this single charge and two years or we hit you with 6 charges and 20 years.
Who are you thinking about?
Too many to list, but this is a start: Barr, Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Cipillone, Philbin, Sydney Powell, Weisselberg, McConney, even Yvanka Trump testified she knew her father had lost to Biden.
They were required to, no?
No, there were others who did not testify, refused to testify or did not submit themselves to subpoenas. They were also all his handpicked people. Bannon even lost a court case and is awaiting sentencing. Still no Dems or deep staters.
I am not sure what point you are making. the committee was nothing but Nevers. Who do you think they were going to compel?
Austin, my point is Trump is in the position he is, with all those indictments on the basis of his own people testifying against him. The Dems aren't giving evidence. The Deep State isn't giving evidence. His own people alone are giving all the evidence and they weren't all compelled. You can't compel people who won't honor subpoenas. The GOP committee on the Biden impeachment may have the fun of dealing with the same issue. My guess is they won't have a platoon of Biden's staff coming in before them to freely offer evidence to impeach him.
Here's the thing about being compelled to give evidence, and this shoudl bother you. The government is extremely powerful. No single person can stand up to the threats the government can level, most especially the federal government. There are people from J6 who are admitting to interference with a government procedure, along with months and years of prison, because they government is forcing them. Own up to this one count or we are coming after you on six. Your two years may become 20. This is one of the reason I no longer trust our judicial system. I think it is corrupt. I hvae a lot of sympathy now for black radicals back in the 60s and Muslims prosecuted during the horrific global war on terror. This is where left and right ought to come together.
Yes, the DOJ doesn't screw around and they have all the power. Michael Cohen has made this point endlessly, and as much as I find Cohen almost as big a narcissist as Trump, he's been dead on about this. I have a slightly different take as to why both right and left might come together on this aspect of the DOJ. J6'rs also got convicted with a ton of video evidence just like Chauvin did in the Floyd incident. Video may turn out to be one tool that takes some of the power away from the justice system and puts it in the hands of juries. Maybe. I remember back when Hoover was head of the FBI and I thought it was pretty much a rogue operation terrorizing even our presidents and seemingly accountable to no one, and I remember the Church committee hearings of the seventies that exposed the CIA's MKULTRA program. I was a big believer in the deep state back then. Now I'm a little more sanguine but could easily revert if Congress doesn't start taking their oversight responsibilities more seriously.
I guess it depends on whose ox is being gored. For instance, there is a radical black group in St. Louis that is under federal indictment for supposedly working for the Russians. Where once I might have applauded, now I have a lot of sympathy for them and their plight. My trust is shot.
Be interested in seeing how that one plays out. Russians were hitting black groups with tons of disinformation to work up racial unrest. This is another one where I will wait for the jury to chime in.
But they are going after the black group, not the Russian.
People are going to jail for merely walking into the Capitol building, not damaging anything, and walking out. They got them on tape, certainly. But you are fine with that?
I presume you were/are in favor of releasing all the tapes?
I'm Ok with it for misdemeanor trespass. Lots of BLM folks got similar charges. The big sentences were handed down after juries found them guilty of the charges.
most of the j6 cases are not going to juries because they are being pled out...accept this single charge and two years or we hit you with 6 charges and 20 years.