People are going to jail for merely walking into the Capitol building, not damaging anything, and walking out. They got them on tape, certainly. But you are fine with that?
I presume you were/are in favor of releasing all the tapes?
People are going to jail for merely walking into the Capitol building, not damaging anything, and walking out. They got them on tape, certainly. But you are fine with that?
I presume you were/are in favor of releasing all the tapes?
I'm Ok with it for misdemeanor trespass. Lots of BLM folks got similar charges. The big sentences were handed down after juries found them guilty of the charges.
most of the j6 cases are not going to juries because they are being pled out...accept this single charge and two years or we hit you with 6 charges and 20 years.
Misdemeanors rarely went to juries, and no, nothing I've read indicates misdemeanor charges were handled as you describe. People forget, the thousands of people wandering through the Capital were never charged with anything and no one was arrested the day of. The 1/6 martyr thing is nauseating. People died in this event including a police officer, one was essentially trampled to death by rioters. I was stunned watching this unfold on TV in my office. I wanted to puke when the guy carried the Confederate Flag in the rotunda. I wanted to puke when I saw so many people carrying crosses and asking Jesus to bless the event. I literally couldn't believe they erected a hanging platform knowing it was for Pence. I have no sympathy for 1/6 insurrectionists and truly do think the Judicial system has been fair as it could be given the chaos. As to releasing all the videoo, that's a laugher. Whose going to sit home and watch thousands and thousands of hours of video. Carlson had all the video and all he showed was five minutes we had seen previously. This is a GOP pipe dream.
They are not going to juries because they are being threatened with multple charges and they are pleading out. The only people who died on that day were Trump supporters. There was no police officer trampled to death. I think you are thinking of Sitnick. This is not how he died.
Please give me some links that cite how many insurrectionists have been pleading out because they are threatened with unprovable multiple charges.
Roseanne Boylan was the rioter I had in mind with being trampled to death. Sicknick died from strokes and is considered to have died in the line of duty. There was another insurrectionist who died of a heart attack. Two policeman who committed suicide, and of course Ashley Babbitt. There is no question from the video she was moving her way through a broken glass window in a door to get on to the Speaker's Lobby. She was armed with a knife. She was warned. She was shot. Trump supporters in the Capital that day should count their lucky stars more policeman did not use their guns as they would have been justified in doing. All I thought about when watching this live was this could turn into a bloodbath. The fact it didn't is a miracle.
Herre is something from Wiki with footnotes about pleadings. Note that those who went to trail tended overwhelmingly to be convicted of all charges, hence most people plead out.
"As of October 13, 2021, more than 100 defendantsтАФof the over 630 individuals charged thus farтАФhad entered guilty pleas.[35] By the end of July 2023, 629 defendants had pleaded guilty, and 129 others went to trial. Of those that went to trial, 87 defendants were convicted of all charges, 40 defendants received mixed verdicts (convicted of at least one charge, and acquitted or a hung jury on at least one charge), and two were acquitted of all charges.[36] Hundreds were still awaiting trial or sentencing.[37]"
In your mind Officer Sicknick just keeled over in his office later in the day because.....and had nothing to do with fighting off insurrectionists. Well, Ok. Then my take is no Trump supporter would have died if they had stayed out of the Capital. They didn't, they died.
Like I said before, juries are basing their decisions on video, behavior in court, and testimony from witnesses. They are handing out guilty decisions because the insurrectionists were guilty. The increase in guilty pleas doesn't surprise me because their attorneys would have seen, pleading is the better route to go given the evidence.
Most defendants are pleading out because they do not want to face multiple charges in front of a DC jury that hates them in advance. Please, this is a like a black man trying to get acquitted in the Democrat south.
Most defendants in any jurisdiction plead out. Historically, most defendants facing DOJ indictments plead out no matter who is president. It's one reason I do have issues with our entire judicial system. The other issue I have is rich bastards like Trump and Epstein gaming the system with delays, appeals, and their money.
DC probably isn't the court you want to get tried in if you participated in an insurrection and spent the days prior intimidating the citizens of the city. I have very little sympathy for any of them, except the true believers who were essentially conned into following Trump like lemmings. I have noticed some of them have gotten off in jury trials.
People are going to jail for merely walking into the Capitol building, not damaging anything, and walking out. They got them on tape, certainly. But you are fine with that?
I presume you were/are in favor of releasing all the tapes?
I'm Ok with it for misdemeanor trespass. Lots of BLM folks got similar charges. The big sentences were handed down after juries found them guilty of the charges.
most of the j6 cases are not going to juries because they are being pled out...accept this single charge and two years or we hit you with 6 charges and 20 years.
Misdemeanors rarely went to juries, and no, nothing I've read indicates misdemeanor charges were handled as you describe. People forget, the thousands of people wandering through the Capital were never charged with anything and no one was arrested the day of. The 1/6 martyr thing is nauseating. People died in this event including a police officer, one was essentially trampled to death by rioters. I was stunned watching this unfold on TV in my office. I wanted to puke when the guy carried the Confederate Flag in the rotunda. I wanted to puke when I saw so many people carrying crosses and asking Jesus to bless the event. I literally couldn't believe they erected a hanging platform knowing it was for Pence. I have no sympathy for 1/6 insurrectionists and truly do think the Judicial system has been fair as it could be given the chaos. As to releasing all the videoo, that's a laugher. Whose going to sit home and watch thousands and thousands of hours of video. Carlson had all the video and all he showed was five minutes we had seen previously. This is a GOP pipe dream.
Obstructing an official proceedings is a felony.
Very few have been charged with that. Remember Austen there were thousands in the Capital. Not hundreds.
They are not going to juries because they are being threatened with multple charges and they are pleading out. The only people who died on that day were Trump supporters. There was no police officer trampled to death. I think you are thinking of Sitnick. This is not how he died.
Please give me some links that cite how many insurrectionists have been pleading out because they are threatened with unprovable multiple charges.
Roseanne Boylan was the rioter I had in mind with being trampled to death. Sicknick died from strokes and is considered to have died in the line of duty. There was another insurrectionist who died of a heart attack. Two policeman who committed suicide, and of course Ashley Babbitt. There is no question from the video she was moving her way through a broken glass window in a door to get on to the Speaker's Lobby. She was armed with a knife. She was warned. She was shot. Trump supporters in the Capital that day should count their lucky stars more policeman did not use their guns as they would have been justified in doing. All I thought about when watching this live was this could turn into a bloodbath. The fact it didn't is a miracle.
Like I said, all deaths were of Trump supporters.
Herre is something from Wiki with footnotes about pleadings. Note that those who went to trail tended overwhelmingly to be convicted of all charges, hence most people plead out.
"As of October 13, 2021, more than 100 defendantsтАФof the over 630 individuals charged thus farтАФhad entered guilty pleas.[35] By the end of July 2023, 629 defendants had pleaded guilty, and 129 others went to trial. Of those that went to trial, 87 defendants were convicted of all charges, 40 defendants received mixed verdicts (convicted of at least one charge, and acquitted or a hung jury on at least one charge), and two were acquitted of all charges.[36] Hundreds were still awaiting trial or sentencing.[37]"
In your mind Officer Sicknick just keeled over in his office later in the day because.....and had nothing to do with fighting off insurrectionists. Well, Ok. Then my take is no Trump supporter would have died if they had stayed out of the Capital. They didn't, they died.
Like I said before, juries are basing their decisions on video, behavior in court, and testimony from witnesses. They are handing out guilty decisions because the insurrectionists were guilty. The increase in guilty pleas doesn't surprise me because their attorneys would have seen, pleading is the better route to go given the evidence.
Most defendants are pleading out because they do not want to face multiple charges in front of a DC jury that hates them in advance. Please, this is a like a black man trying to get acquitted in the Democrat south.
Sicknick died of natural causes.
Most defendants in any jurisdiction plead out. Historically, most defendants facing DOJ indictments plead out no matter who is president. It's one reason I do have issues with our entire judicial system. The other issue I have is rich bastards like Trump and Epstein gaming the system with delays, appeals, and their money.
DC probably isn't the court you want to get tried in if you participated in an insurrection and spent the days prior intimidating the citizens of the city. I have very little sympathy for any of them, except the true believers who were essentially conned into following Trump like lemmings. I have noticed some of them have gotten off in jury trials.
Spent the days prior intimiating citizen of the city? What i this a reference to?