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The Secret Podcast

Incentives Matter

On Epstein and everything else.

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Jonathan V. Last and Catherine Rampell
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Sarah is away, so Catherine Rampell sat down with JVL to talk about the Epstein emails, Trump’s new ways of paying off his friends, and what life is like at The Bulwark. It’s a pretty fun show!

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