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"...pain generated by one or the other to bring their opponents back to the negotiating table."

Seriously?? BACK to the negotiating table? Really Andrew? Only one side has been refusing to negotiate Andrew, and I would hope you know which side that is. The house isn't even in session - because, you know, the Epstein Files. They sure are getting paid though.

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>>> "The Democratic party’s shutdown narrative is “we’re doing all this to spare the public pain,” a position that becomes more difficult to maintain the higher the pain spikes from the shutdown itself."

I don't think this will prove true, but we'll see. The Republicans aren't being very effective at hiding the fact that they've caused this pain, and the Democrats have been pretty effective at keeping the public focused on the Republicans. My admonition to congress is not, as Andrew writes, to come together to end the shutdown. It's to the Democrats to deliver the lashing the Republicans have earned, and to lash with gusto. Dems won't have many other opportunities to actually do something in the minority.

For one: USDA has money it is legally obligated to spend to continue SNAP and WIC. That they aren't is a Republican play to hurt voters thinking this will get Dems to respond. Dems shouldn't. They should continue insisting that the Administration is illegally impounding these funds. I've been pleasantly surprised how well they're doing this so far. Doesn't hurt that the Trumpists are simultaneously giving $40B to Argentina, and Trump is talking about grifting $230M from his own justice department at this same time. "There's no money for food stamps," is rich coming from the party that decided the demolition crew razing the East Wing of the White House was essential and the destruction continued apace during the shutdown.

For two: Republicans seem to earnestly, mistakenly believe that their own voters aren't receiving SNAP and WIC. This is not true. There are plenty of SNAP recipients in Trump country who are about to blow up Congressional phone lines and email addresses. Kentucky is my go-to example of counties where more than 1 in 3 people are on SNAP and those places also voted overwhelming for Trump and Republican representation in the House and Senate. Consider McCreary County, where 42% of residents are on SNAP and voted for Trump 89-11%: (https://kypolicy.org/tracking-snap-in-kentucky/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Kentucky). The smartest play I've seen are all the Democrats starting to promote food drives and raising support for local food banks. That is well done, both simultaneously an actual win for effective policy/administration by trying to actually solve the problem and also a win on messaging. No notes from me!

For three: I think that while the debate over what to demand for a shutdown was a reasonable one where multiple people could disagree, the Dems did what they needed to do: just pick one thing, one concrete actionable demand. And hold the line on it. There's plenty of Monday Morning Quarter Backing on if there was a better demand, but pragmatically speaking, Healthcare is like the one thing the whole Dem caucus can agree on usually and it's the one thing the Public is most willing to roll with them on. As it is, that's the play. And so far, Shumer and Jefferies are actually playing, for once, which is a pleasant surprise for cynics like me.

For four: Thune has already been poking holes in the filibuster for other things. They cared enough about overruling states' rights and going after EVs that they ignored the filibuster for that (https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/21/politics/senate-filibuster-california-electric-vehicle-emissions, https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-blocks-californias-rule-banning-new-gas-powered-car-sales-by-2035, https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-poke-holes-filibuster-vowing-protect-rcna231423). So, what this means is that Thune and Senate Republicans are not willing to punt the filibuster to prevent people from going hungry or losing their health insurance, but they are willing to punt the filibuster to interfere in California's ability to regulate gas powered cars and electric vehicles. And again, the Dem's have been surprisingly on their toes successfully making this case.

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