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Shelby Talcott: DeSantis Sticks His Toe in the Water
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Shelby Talcott: DeSantis Sticks His Toe in the Water

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Ron DeSantis threw a couple of very small rocks at Trump this week, and he's angling to get to the right of Trump on Covid, and perhaps on abortion as well. Plus, the right-wing influencers voters are listening to. Semafor's Shelby Talcott joins Charlie Sykes today.

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