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Travis's avatar

I'm in favor of the bull case for '24 with Noah, and I think the economic sentiment lag is around 6-9 months, which puts us in a good place *on inflation* come July/August of next year when polls will actually be in a place to be more accurate. That said, I don't leave out the possibility of a recession given the bond yield inversion and the tendency for recessions to manifest *after* bond yields uninvert and the fed cuts rates. The economy was looking pretty good in 2006/2007 prior to the '08 crash and markets regained a lot of territory before losing even more mid-way through the DotCom bubble (there were two false peaks that gave way to deeper bottoms).

Economy aside, there's a bull case to be made on the political front too. People are going to forget about Israel well before next year's election. It's already winding down and I give it less than a month before it's off of America's attention span--at best becoming as important/unimportant as Ukraine is to most Americans by January 15th. People are going to remember how crazy and chaotic Trump is as he appears on TV screens and news/social media feeds more often--and in a raged/lashing out state that makes him look even more nuts as his legal troubles come into focus (listen to the last Lincoln Project pod with George Conway for more on this).

There's always the potential for black swan events to change the course of things--including ones that could be in favor of Biden rather than Trump, but if things basically continue from where we are now I'd put Biden's chances at reelection better than Trump's chances at reelection. It will *always* come down to an election of very small numbers--because 44 states have already voted and elections are determined by <100k suburban voters in about 4 states regardless of who is running, and so thinking in terms of a coin flip election isn't wrong in the big scale, but if you think of the election coming down to just <100k suburban voters in 4 states then it doesn't look like a coin flip anymore. In that case, I'd say the suburban vote in PA, WI, AZ, and GA favors Biden to the tune of something like 75/25.

That said, as JVL notes "don't tell me the odds, tell me the stakes," and the stakes are as high as they get.

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I knew JVL's title and come-on could not last. The main argument I find that a desire for illiberalism as a long-term change in the American political landscape exists is:

"Trump showed these people what was possible (about illiberalsm, ed.). And even if he’s defeated and goes away, they won’t. They’re activated. They have a clear sense of what they want. And they know that they are a large enough force to dominate one of our two political parties."

I don't see the "activated" by anyone but TFG. We have seen time and again that look-alike, talk-alike, act-alike Trumpies don't draw. The "clear sense of what they want" is they want TFG and no one else. And the fact that their view "dominates" one of the two political parties, only goes so far as TFG goes. Without him as their hero/god/king/dictator, whether due to an election loss, a health issue, or solitary confinement with no MAGAphone, they may very well retreat to the dark holes from which they came.

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