That Free Press opinion piece is really bad. It accused a woman who had not signed the letter supporting Hamas of supporting Hamas.
It also varies wildly in what it is trying to say and where. Ideological neutrality is good when it comes to "woke", but bad when it comes to Israel. It's good to stop giving money to schools that are ideologically neutral, but schools have to be ideologically neutral, as that is the only way to save universities.
I am just curious, wouldn't it be possible for the House Democrats to nominate Adam Kinzinger and just pile on with voting for him. At the end of the day, you would only need five Republicans to join and its over before anyone knows what happened. Adam would shut down the Biden sham inquiries and secure funding for Ukraine and Israel and keep the government open past mid November. There isn't anything that he would do, that the Democrats couldn't live with and he would be a heck of a lot better that anyone being considered.
He left because the Democrats gerrymander him and Illinois into oblivion and he no longer had a chance at winning a seat. Coupled with the Republican threats, it is hard to imagine what he has had to deal with these last few years. He is a boy scout through and through, if they elected him, he would serve, even if it was only to get through the next year. Look for the articles about how toxic Illinois politics has gotten, since the Democrats created a small but significant number of safe Republican districts, those seats are now so safe, that they have gone MAGA. Draw the lines more fairly, spread the public out more evenly and you would have real contests, with the candidate that could appeal to both sides being the winner, but that is a risk that neither party is willing to take, when given a chance to re-draw the lines.
GOLLLLLLLY GEEEEE someone finally got this correct, they found out about the Center, now if the Center can/will keep it's CaCa togeather things may turn out alright, only time will tell. now all we (the PEOPLE) MUST DO is to VOTE OUT the CROOKS ,CON-MEN, POWER FREAKS , MONEY FOOLS , CORRUPT ETC. you should get the message OK ?
Jim "The Seditionist" Jordan as speaker. Talk about giving weapons to Democrats for 2024, it's a gift of political AR-15s. You may think you're done with Jan. 6th but it's not done with you. And what if Trump flips on people. I always said if Trump goes down he won't go down alone.
So you're saying she's been waiting 3 years for those 500,000 indictments to be filed? On one hand, her faith is strong; on the other hand, she shows a remarkable unwillingness to validate her worldview with readily available facts.
Is it possible she will get up every morning for the rest of her life thinking today is the day the deep state will be exposed?
Theories before and after the election. (Sorry, finger slipped). Just ask if you have any other question about the loons coz I’m a amateur loon reader.
So much for consensus or negotiation. Jordan is going to try to bully his way to the top spot.
And this surprises exactly who? Gym doesn't do negotiation, he could not care less about consensus, he is all about absolute power and the only one he takes orders from is t***p. He will try to force the impeachment of Biden, evidence free. He will shutdown the government and demand the end to all of t***p's prosecutions. Republicans had better damn well know what they are voting for, but my guess is the threats have intensified and we are not talking about Hannity.
We are subject to collective punishment. Let's say I'm a person, or we're a community that is not just carbon-neutral, but even carbon-negative. Individually or collectively we actually reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Day in, day out, year after year. It doesn't matter in that the catastrophes of climate change will visit upon us all equally.
I hate to say this, but objectively, and with the above paragraph in mind, what is true is that Americans have worked hard to earn the domestic political sh*t that is headed their way.
Growing a backbone can be a slow process. However, once the coccyx is established, the rest can fill in quickly. Being near the asshole, the coccyx must realize s/he does not want to be seen as the asshole so begins to differentiate and separate from the asshole's discharges.
Once the coccyx realizes that a spine is more popular than an asshole, change happens, and reality begins to shift.
Perhaps the GOP House members are beginning to see this distinction and realize being closer to the brain, way beyond the asshole has its advantages.
My QAnon accusers submitted three main charges against me to The Space Force Tribunal:
1. My COVID 19 position. I was too pro-vax during the pandemic and always wore a mask when in public places.
2. My Chocolate Labrador is possessed by a demon and shows too much affection to children.
3. My course reading list included "highly inappropriate texts ranging from Aristophanes to Zora Neale Hurston" (QAnon accusers do not quite understand the concept of alphabetizing by surname), which led to serious bouts of critical thinking and 'woke' conversations among the students.
Would a donor revolt be "saving" American Universities if the big donor refused to write checks until the Poli Sci and History departments got on board with teaching that Biden stole the 2020 election? If they shouldn't do that, why should they be directing the position of the faculty and administration on other political statements?
There are no "republican normies". 🙄 I'm so sick of ya'll saying there is. EVERY DAMN ONE VOTED PARTY LINE WITH TRUMP. None of them DARE to stand up to their orange Julius. Stop saying there's any that actually CARE about our country and not their pockets.
It's pretty clear that the GOP is quickly becoming a bunch of "survivors" who are unable to place country before party if it involves messing with their livelihood.
It truly does demonstrate that if you don't have a good foundation of values...that they can erode over time after a whole bunch of "lesser of 2 evils" decisions in the past couple of decades or so.
Which has led us to the "Jim Jordan is better than NO SPEAKER of the House" logic, right?
“ Most cockroaches can survive moderate amounts of radiation, in fact, they were found perfectly fine and healthy just 1000 feet away from where the Hiroshima atom bomb was dropped. They can survive up to a month with no food or water, and also 2 weeks with their heads cut off.
I haven't been paying much attention to Penn. I know some students were intemperate, to put it mildly. But did the University actually stay silent?
Stanford just sent us alumni the following statement, which I consider the perfect academic response to the horrendous situation unfolding in the Middle East.
"Dear Stanford community,
Our news and social media feeds have been filled over the last few days with horrifying new details about the Hamas attack in Israel last weekend, which involved intolerable atrocities including murder of civilians and kidnapping. The likelihood of a lengthy and violent continued conflict in the region has become clearer. Our focus as university leaders is on supporting the members of our Stanford community in this difficult moment. We hear the deeply felt concerns, fears, and grief that have been expressed by students, faculty, and staff. We want to address several issues that have arisen on our campus in the past few days.
• We have heard many expressions of concern regarding student safety. We have heard from Jewish students, faculty, and staff concerned about rising antisemitism. We have heard from Palestinian students who have received threatening emails and phone calls. We want to make clear that Stanford stands unequivocally against hatred on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, national origin, and other categories. The expression of political views, in appropriate times and places, is important. Thoughtful, reasoned discussion of current issues is central to the life of the university. Our commitment to academic freedom means that latitude for expression of controversial and even offensive views is necessary to avoid chilling freedom of thought and ideas. But harassment and abuse have no place here. We are committed to working with affected communities to provide support and resources, and also to ensuring the physical safety of those on campus.
• We have received a report of a class in which a non-faculty instructor is reported to have addressed the Middle East conflict in a manner that called out individual students in class based on their backgrounds and identities. Without prejudging the matter, this report is a cause for serious concern. Academic freedom does not permit the identity-based targeting of students. The instructor in this course is not currently teaching while the university works to ascertain the facts of the situation.
• We have received complaints about banners, signs, and chalking on campus that express views that many find offensive. Again, it is important to remember that controversial and even offensive speech is allowed except when it crosses the line into certain illegal categories such as threats or harassment for which the threshold is quite high. Unlawful threats and harassment will not be tolerated. Stanford also has content- and viewpoint-neutral time, place, and manner rules that limit locations for banners and signs. Thus, many of the banners and signs have been removed, because they were in places where they are not allowed. Moreover, it is worth remembering that while a climate of free expression requires breathing room, our aspiration as a community is for respectful and substantive discourse.
Here and across the nation this week, there also has been discussion of the role of university leaders in commenting on global events. This provides an opportunity for the two of us, who are new in our current roles at Stanford, to share some further thoughts on this topic, and on the place and purpose of universities.
Stanford University is a community of scholars. We believe it is important that the university, as an institution, generally refrain from taking institutional positions on complex political or global matters that extend beyond our immediate purview, which is the operations of the university itself. Maintaining university neutrality allows for our individual scholars to explore them freely. In recent years, many universities have gotten into the habit of issuing frequent statements about news events. This creates a number of difficulties. The decision to take a position about one event or issue yields implications for silence with regard to other issues; given that different subsets of a campus community may be more or less affected by particular issues, this inconsistency is felt acutely. It can enmesh universities in politics and create a sense of institutional orthodoxy that chills academic freedom. In addition, crafting each message is challenging, from gathering facts and context on complex issues at the speed of online media and the news cycle while also walking a line between platitudes and overly political positions.
As a moral matter, we condemn all terrorism and mass atrocities. This includes the deliberate attack on civilians this weekend by Hamas. One of the advances in international law in the 20th century following the horrors of the Holocaust was the development of international humanitarian law prohibiting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. Such crimes are never justified. Sadly, they occur regularly throughout the world; the International Criminal Court website lists seventeen different country situations for which it has launched investigations, all of which involve mass atrocities. And that court’s docket does not even reflect the full range of situations. We point this out not to in any way diminish the shocking severity of the events in Israel and Gaza this week, but to highlight the pervasive problem that humankind faces in conquering hate.
The events in Israel and Gaza this week have affected and engaged large numbers of students on our campus in ways that many other events have not. This is why we feel compelled to both address the impact of these events on our campus and to explain why our general policy of not issuing statements about news events not directly connected to campus has limited the breadth of our comments thus far, and why you should not expect frequent commentary from us in the future.
The fighting in the Middle East is likely to continue in the coming weeks, with casualties on both sides, and the overall situation has a deep and complex history. Stanford has community members who are themselves from the region or who have friends and family there. We recognize the deeply felt impacts across our community. We encourage you to approach one another with a spirit of compassion and respect for our shared humanity.
The Palestine Writes Literature Festival, a multi-day event featuring Palestinian writers, filmmakers, and artists, will take place on the University of Pennsylvania’s campus later this month. This public event is not organized by the University. As is routine in universities, individual faculty, departments and centers, and student organizations are engaged as sponsors, speakers and volunteers at this conference intended to highlight the importance and cultural impact of Palestinian writers and artists.
While the Festival will feature more than 100 speakers, many have raised deep concerns about several speakers who have a documented and troubling history of engaging in antisemitism by speaking and acting in ways that denigrate Jewish people. We unequivocally -- and emphatically -- condemn antisemitism as antithetical to our institutional values. As a university, we also fiercely support the free exchange of ideas as central to our educational mission. This includes the expression of views that are controversial and even those that are incompatible with our institutional values.
M. Elizabeth Magill, President
John L. Jackson, Jr., Provost
Steven J. Fluharty, Dean, School of Arts & Sciences
An excellent statement. Thank you for sharing the entire text. I wish that the mealymouthed statement from the President of my Alma Mater (Georgetown) had been this direct and unequivocal. I expected much better. I couldn't even find it on the University's website, and had to depend on a link in Politico.
In some places now it is hard to even suggest that there is, uh, history behind all the horror without being called Pro-Hamas. I thought Stanford navigated that reef well.
That Free Press opinion piece is really bad. It accused a woman who had not signed the letter supporting Hamas of supporting Hamas.
It also varies wildly in what it is trying to say and where. Ideological neutrality is good when it comes to "woke", but bad when it comes to Israel. It's good to stop giving money to schools that are ideologically neutral, but schools have to be ideologically neutral, as that is the only way to save universities.
Just a very confused piece all the way through.
I am just curious, wouldn't it be possible for the House Democrats to nominate Adam Kinzinger and just pile on with voting for him. At the end of the day, you would only need five Republicans to join and its over before anyone knows what happened. Adam would shut down the Biden sham inquiries and secure funding for Ukraine and Israel and keep the government open past mid November. There isn't anything that he would do, that the Democrats couldn't live with and he would be a heck of a lot better that anyone being considered.
Great idea. Not sure Adam would even want the speakership though. He left Congress for a reason.
He left because the Democrats gerrymander him and Illinois into oblivion and he no longer had a chance at winning a seat. Coupled with the Republican threats, it is hard to imagine what he has had to deal with these last few years. He is a boy scout through and through, if they elected him, he would serve, even if it was only to get through the next year. Look for the articles about how toxic Illinois politics has gotten, since the Democrats created a small but significant number of safe Republican districts, those seats are now so safe, that they have gone MAGA. Draw the lines more fairly, spread the public out more evenly and you would have real contests, with the candidate that could appeal to both sides being the winner, but that is a risk that neither party is willing to take, when given a chance to re-draw the lines.
GOLLLLLLLY GEEEEE someone finally got this correct, they found out about the Center, now if the Center can/will keep it's CaCa togeather things may turn out alright, only time will tell. now all we (the PEOPLE) MUST DO is to VOTE OUT the CROOKS ,CON-MEN, POWER FREAKS , MONEY FOOLS , CORRUPT ETC. you should get the message OK ?
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But they warned “so neither you nor your dumb little buddies should attempt anything from this movie" and the Republicans didn’t listen.
Jim "The Seditionist" Jordan as speaker. Talk about giving weapons to Democrats for 2024, it's a gift of political AR-15s. You may think you're done with Jan. 6th but it's not done with you. And what if Trump flips on people. I always said if Trump goes down he won't go down alone.
Jordan is radioactive don't get to close to him.
Why isn't Jordan indicted?
For those who (luckily for them) don’t know where that lady got the “watermarked ballots” and Spaceforce lines came from I can enlighten you.
I doubt she watches herself but those talking points come from Infowars while Steve Pieczenik was going on before the election. Many of the conspiracy
So you're saying she's been waiting 3 years for those 500,000 indictments to be filed? On one hand, her faith is strong; on the other hand, she shows a remarkable unwillingness to validate her worldview with readily available facts.
Is it possible she will get up every morning for the rest of her life thinking today is the day the deep state will be exposed?
How could "Spaceforce?" put together 500K indictments. They are still trying to launch their first space buggy.
Theories before and after the election. (Sorry, finger slipped). Just ask if you have any other question about the loons coz I’m a amateur loon reader.
So much for consensus or negotiation. Jordan is going to try to bully his way to the top spot.
And this surprises exactly who? Gym doesn't do negotiation, he could not care less about consensus, he is all about absolute power and the only one he takes orders from is t***p. He will try to force the impeachment of Biden, evidence free. He will shutdown the government and demand the end to all of t***p's prosecutions. Republicans had better damn well know what they are voting for, but my guess is the threats have intensified and we are not talking about Hannity.
We are subject to collective punishment. Let's say I'm a person, or we're a community that is not just carbon-neutral, but even carbon-negative. Individually or collectively we actually reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Day in, day out, year after year. It doesn't matter in that the catastrophes of climate change will visit upon us all equally.
I hate to say this, but objectively, and with the above paragraph in mind, what is true is that Americans have worked hard to earn the domestic political sh*t that is headed their way.
Growing a backbone can be a slow process. However, once the coccyx is established, the rest can fill in quickly. Being near the asshole, the coccyx must realize s/he does not want to be seen as the asshole so begins to differentiate and separate from the asshole's discharges.
Once the coccyx realizes that a spine is more popular than an asshole, change happens, and reality begins to shift.
Perhaps the GOP House members are beginning to see this distinction and realize being closer to the brain, way beyond the asshole has its advantages.
And if the asshole threatens you and your family?
Then the Department of Justice steps in.
If you never experienced any discomfort, everyone would already do it.
Can’t wait for Space Force to release the 500 K indictments! I wonder who they are 🤦♀️
😂 Tracking the so-called Deep State from Outer Space? 🤪 oh, puhleeze.
I know a few MAGA cultists who have already submitted my name to them.
On what grounds?
My QAnon accusers submitted three main charges against me to The Space Force Tribunal:
1. My COVID 19 position. I was too pro-vax during the pandemic and always wore a mask when in public places.
2. My Chocolate Labrador is possessed by a demon and shows too much affection to children.
3. My course reading list included "highly inappropriate texts ranging from Aristophanes to Zora Neale Hurston" (QAnon accusers do not quite understand the concept of alphabetizing by surname), which led to serious bouts of critical thinking and 'woke' conversations among the students.
I sent a short note in response: "So, sue me!"
Would a donor revolt be "saving" American Universities if the big donor refused to write checks until the Poli Sci and History departments got on board with teaching that Biden stole the 2020 election? If they shouldn't do that, why should they be directing the position of the faculty and administration on other political statements?
The real question is can a donor revolt save the Republican Party?
Not gonna happen. They're just fine with it. It's what they wanted.
Now that IS a question worth asking.
There are no "republican normies". 🙄 I'm so sick of ya'll saying there is. EVERY DAMN ONE VOTED PARTY LINE WITH TRUMP. None of them DARE to stand up to their orange Julius. Stop saying there's any that actually CARE about our country and not their pockets.
It's pretty clear that the GOP is quickly becoming a bunch of "survivors" who are unable to place country before party if it involves messing with their livelihood.
It truly does demonstrate that if you don't have a good foundation of values...that they can erode over time after a whole bunch of "lesser of 2 evils" decisions in the past couple of decades or so.
Which has led us to the "Jim Jordan is better than NO SPEAKER of the House" logic, right?
From Jeevoka.com:
“ Most cockroaches can survive moderate amounts of radiation, in fact, they were found perfectly fine and healthy just 1000 feet away from where the Hiroshima atom bomb was dropped. They can survive up to a month with no food or water, and also 2 weeks with their heads cut off.
Change ‘cockroach’ to ‘Republican Politician.’
At least if Jordan is elected the title can change to "Ranter of the House."
I haven't been paying much attention to Penn. I know some students were intemperate, to put it mildly. But did the University actually stay silent?
Stanford just sent us alumni the following statement, which I consider the perfect academic response to the horrendous situation unfolding in the Middle East.
"Dear Stanford community,
Our news and social media feeds have been filled over the last few days with horrifying new details about the Hamas attack in Israel last weekend, which involved intolerable atrocities including murder of civilians and kidnapping. The likelihood of a lengthy and violent continued conflict in the region has become clearer. Our focus as university leaders is on supporting the members of our Stanford community in this difficult moment. We hear the deeply felt concerns, fears, and grief that have been expressed by students, faculty, and staff. We want to address several issues that have arisen on our campus in the past few days.
• We have heard many expressions of concern regarding student safety. We have heard from Jewish students, faculty, and staff concerned about rising antisemitism. We have heard from Palestinian students who have received threatening emails and phone calls. We want to make clear that Stanford stands unequivocally against hatred on the basis of religion, race, ethnicity, national origin, and other categories. The expression of political views, in appropriate times and places, is important. Thoughtful, reasoned discussion of current issues is central to the life of the university. Our commitment to academic freedom means that latitude for expression of controversial and even offensive views is necessary to avoid chilling freedom of thought and ideas. But harassment and abuse have no place here. We are committed to working with affected communities to provide support and resources, and also to ensuring the physical safety of those on campus.
• We have received a report of a class in which a non-faculty instructor is reported to have addressed the Middle East conflict in a manner that called out individual students in class based on their backgrounds and identities. Without prejudging the matter, this report is a cause for serious concern. Academic freedom does not permit the identity-based targeting of students. The instructor in this course is not currently teaching while the university works to ascertain the facts of the situation.
• We have received complaints about banners, signs, and chalking on campus that express views that many find offensive. Again, it is important to remember that controversial and even offensive speech is allowed except when it crosses the line into certain illegal categories such as threats or harassment for which the threshold is quite high. Unlawful threats and harassment will not be tolerated. Stanford also has content- and viewpoint-neutral time, place, and manner rules that limit locations for banners and signs. Thus, many of the banners and signs have been removed, because they were in places where they are not allowed. Moreover, it is worth remembering that while a climate of free expression requires breathing room, our aspiration as a community is for respectful and substantive discourse.
Here and across the nation this week, there also has been discussion of the role of university leaders in commenting on global events. This provides an opportunity for the two of us, who are new in our current roles at Stanford, to share some further thoughts on this topic, and on the place and purpose of universities.
Stanford University is a community of scholars. We believe it is important that the university, as an institution, generally refrain from taking institutional positions on complex political or global matters that extend beyond our immediate purview, which is the operations of the university itself. Maintaining university neutrality allows for our individual scholars to explore them freely. In recent years, many universities have gotten into the habit of issuing frequent statements about news events. This creates a number of difficulties. The decision to take a position about one event or issue yields implications for silence with regard to other issues; given that different subsets of a campus community may be more or less affected by particular issues, this inconsistency is felt acutely. It can enmesh universities in politics and create a sense of institutional orthodoxy that chills academic freedom. In addition, crafting each message is challenging, from gathering facts and context on complex issues at the speed of online media and the news cycle while also walking a line between platitudes and overly political positions.
As a moral matter, we condemn all terrorism and mass atrocities. This includes the deliberate attack on civilians this weekend by Hamas. One of the advances in international law in the 20th century following the horrors of the Holocaust was the development of international humanitarian law prohibiting war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide. Such crimes are never justified. Sadly, they occur regularly throughout the world; the International Criminal Court website lists seventeen different country situations for which it has launched investigations, all of which involve mass atrocities. And that court’s docket does not even reflect the full range of situations. We point this out not to in any way diminish the shocking severity of the events in Israel and Gaza this week, but to highlight the pervasive problem that humankind faces in conquering hate.
The events in Israel and Gaza this week have affected and engaged large numbers of students on our campus in ways that many other events have not. This is why we feel compelled to both address the impact of these events on our campus and to explain why our general policy of not issuing statements about news events not directly connected to campus has limited the breadth of our comments thus far, and why you should not expect frequent commentary from us in the future.
The fighting in the Middle East is likely to continue in the coming weeks, with casualties on both sides, and the overall situation has a deep and complex history. Stanford has community members who are themselves from the region or who have friends and family there. We recognize the deeply felt impacts across our community. We encourage you to approach one another with a spirit of compassion and respect for our shared humanity.
Sincerely,
Richard Saller, President
Jenny Martinez, Provost "
U.Penn - this happened in September, but this is what the billionaires are upset about, as far as I can tell.
https://president.upenn.edu/content/statement-palestine-writes-literature-festival
September 12, 2023
The Palestine Writes Literature Festival, a multi-day event featuring Palestinian writers, filmmakers, and artists, will take place on the University of Pennsylvania’s campus later this month. This public event is not organized by the University. As is routine in universities, individual faculty, departments and centers, and student organizations are engaged as sponsors, speakers and volunteers at this conference intended to highlight the importance and cultural impact of Palestinian writers and artists.
While the Festival will feature more than 100 speakers, many have raised deep concerns about several speakers who have a documented and troubling history of engaging in antisemitism by speaking and acting in ways that denigrate Jewish people. We unequivocally -- and emphatically -- condemn antisemitism as antithetical to our institutional values. As a university, we also fiercely support the free exchange of ideas as central to our educational mission. This includes the expression of views that are controversial and even those that are incompatible with our institutional values.
M. Elizabeth Magill, President
John L. Jackson, Jr., Provost
Steven J. Fluharty, Dean, School of Arts & Sciences
Dear lord. I think we need to start defunding donors. Have a bit more tax with your breakfast,sir?
An excellent statement. Thank you for sharing the entire text. I wish that the mealymouthed statement from the President of my Alma Mater (Georgetown) had been this direct and unequivocal. I expected much better. I couldn't even find it on the University's website, and had to depend on a link in Politico.
In some places now it is hard to even suggest that there is, uh, history behind all the horror without being called Pro-Hamas. I thought Stanford navigated that reef well.
Someone needs to shut college student up, historically they’ve always been a problem, look how they wouldn’t support The Vietnam War.
Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids.....
Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
You're bringing back (unpleasant) memories.