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Okay, so, I try not to like, openly reveal my identity online. But I have a job where I need to do signature verification training per state law every year. It's a 2-hour course. It's overkill. But part of the reason for the mandate in statute is that from the outside, signature verification can seem very much an art and not a science. How do you trust what seems like a subjective judgement? One way is to ensure that everyone who does the job gets the same training, and make sure the training is more robust than it needs to be. I'm not really complaining, just saying.

I want to say two things about the "That's not his signature!" responses from Trumpists.

(1) These are not and should not be discussed as good faith attempts to deny that it is Trump's signature. Instead, we should recognize the denials as a bad faith attempt to evade the topic.

(2) There is, based on my training and experience, almost no doubt Trump's signature. The only reason to doubt at all is that Trump himself claims it's not his, if you're inclined to believe his word.

As for (1): please, please, please do not get baited into debating whether or not this is Trump's signature. It isn't a good faith attempt at debate or conversation. It's 100% a bad faith attempts to derail the appropriate scrutiny of the Epstein materials. Let us not forget for even one second that JD Vance's first line of defense was: "If it is real, publish the letter." Let us not fail to notice that now that we have the letter, Vance has simply shifted the goal posts to, "Okay, but this is not real." There isn't a path to Vance admitting it's Trump's letter, because Vance is being dishonest. That's what I mean about bad faith.

As for (2): there's a bunch of stuff we look at when you do signature verification to make either a positive ID or to investigate potential fraud/impersonation. There's a million things people do with their handwriting that are very subtle and once you know how to identify it, it's easy to tell when it's the same person.

2.1: First of all, don't be distracted by small variance. No one signs exactly the same way twice in a row. There's always a small amount of deviation, and trained signature analysts know this. Think for a moment about how you might sign, say, your mortgage application paperwork (probably carefully, right?) versus when you sign the receipt for a credit card payment (not so much, right?).

2.2: Second of all, think about the context and date of the signature. The signature is backdated to 2003, 22 years ago. Think about where the signature is located. It's not a public document, and the creator of the letter stands to gain nothing in 2003 from creating it. What is the attempt to defraud here? Moreover, how much would someone who wanted to impersonate Trump know about how he signs his name? Did you know Trump signed everything in Sharpie in 2003? I sure as shit did not.

2.3: Finally, what are the things a trained signature analyst looks at?

2.3.1, the fact that Trump always using a fucking sharpie. If I was deciding the authenticity of a Trump signature, I'd probably be pretty skeptical of anything written with a normal pen like a normal person.

2.3.2, you look at the major features. This is stuff like the prominant letters or flourishes which are typically present. People have pointed out the D in Donald and the long Tail at the end. You also look at the things that are typically stylized or reduced -- most of us, especially as we become more "mature" in our signature, will develop very idiosyncratic shorthand. Most people's signatures have some mix of print and cursive, or they simplify some letters into non-existence, or if they don't, it stands out that they have a clear and distinct cursive letter for each letter, since that is comparatively rare. So, if you look at other signature samples, note which letters are clear and which dissappear into the EKG graph. If the signature didn't have the prominant D, the D forms a sharp point, the lower case 'd' at the end of "Donald," that "o" shape on the bottom of the 'd' is always disconnected, ETC.

2.3.3, you look at letter spacing and angle. People are very consistent, normally, which whether their letters slant right or left. They also tend to be pretty consistent with how close or far apart they make the letters in their signature. Again, look at the D in signature examples, and the angle of the upstroke towards the pointy top of the D, the width and angle of the curved down stroke, the relative size of the flourish that finishes inside the loop of the D and connects to the o, ETC.

2.3.4, you look at pen lifts. You can tell, with practice, where people have stopped a continuous line and start a new one. For example, Donald has to my eye two strokes. He does his D, strating fromt he bottom, to the top, ends in the internal flourish. He then starts a new stroke with the seperate 'o', which begins close to the D but you can see is not connected to the end of the stroke for the D.

2.3.5, you look at pen pressure. Basically, people characteristically will lift in similar places. Donald of course is slamming the sharpie into the paper. I think he maintains pretty clear pressure throughout. In some of his signature clips, you can see that the felt tip of the sharpie makes a darker point at the end of that flourish on the tail, which means he's pressing down throughout the tail, and he basically never lifts as he writes, which would cause a fainter mark and no "dot" from a final pressure point.

2.3.6, you look at **a lot*** of signature clips. You don't compare one or two. Ideally, you want dozens of samples. That is how you gleam insight into something like the difference between when the same person is rushed or not, versus what might be a possible forgery. So like here, he just signs "Donald." You'll notice he uses a more formal full name "Donald Trump" on stuff like the executive orders he signs. But that isn't an indication that it isn't him, when you compare the letter to similar circumstances, and when you isolate just the "Donald" part from even his more formal full name signature.

IMHO: It's him. To the untrained eye, to the trained eye, slam dunk. JD Vance's denial is farcical, but that isn't surprising because it's obvious bad faith.

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“By now, the base has gotten in their 10,000 hours….They can perform all sorts of remarkable feats—the media-cope equivalent of lying on beds of nails while cinderblocks are smashed on their chests….If I pay attention, the Democrats win.”

Goddamn, Andrew. That is perfect. As if we needed more proof that this is a cult. These people are lost and the worst part is, they will exist long after Donny is gone and buried. We are so cooked.

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