Sarah and JVL talk about Ron DeSantis’s not-really-a-pivot on Ukraine, what it says about his campaign, and what we’re learning about him as a political commodity.
Also: Why do the anti-antis hate the Never Trumpers above all others?
The Secret Podcast
Meet Beta Ron
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Meet Beta Ron
DeSantis doesn't get the politics of dominance.
The Secret Podcast
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Each Friday, best friends Sarah Longwell and JVL go off-leash and uncensored in this intimate podcast.
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Each Friday, best friends Sarah Longwell and JVL go off-leash and uncensored in this intimate podcast.
Only for Bulwark+ members. 
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Jonathan V. Last
Sarah Longwell
