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Ezra Klein: Protecting People Means Winning Power

The White House readies plans for mass firings in the federal government as Democrats weigh the stakes of forcing a government shutdown. President Trump hunts for revenge against his political enemies, and the country reels from a cycle of political violence. Ezra Klein of the New York Times joins Tim to discuss what a fight about a shutdown should really be about, how Democrats can find an effective message and what it will take to pull our politics out of a scary moment.

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