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hello and welcome to the board podcast i'm your host tim miller we've got a double dip today up in part two we'll be suzanne craig author of lucky loser about i bet you can guess who an investigative journalist in new york times the great suzanne
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craig but first my buddy sam stein managing editor of the bulwark and he's managing it quite well i don't know if you've been to the book.com lately uh but we've got a lot of good stuff make sure you're signed up uh theboard.com free trial if you want to be a board plus member how you doing sam
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Oh, good. That's the first compliment you've paid me since I've come to the Bulwark. So this feels like a good start to the podcast. Thanks. Well, I've got to do it live. I can't pump you up too much in person. Fair enough. I'm going to make you work for it. It's been wonderful having you.

We're swimming in polling data, but we should also consider that Kamala has more money and a superior ground game. On the other hand though, she doesn't have a spouse promoting nude modeling experience. Plus, the sweeping narrative behind the 'Lucky Loser' who squandered his father's fortune.

Susanne Craig and Sam Stein join Tim Miller.

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Frisco's avatar

Melanie popping up into the media only served to remind me that she is an immigrant. Oh the hypocrisy …

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Andrew's Vegan's avatar

Amazing that a disbarred Rudy Giuliani is chosen to speak at a campaign rally in the very state he was disbarred in. He sounded like a completely unhinged, cult follower that is desperate to please the petulant boy king AKA Agent Orange. When is this madness going to end? It's like we live in Bizarro World and rationale is nowhere to be found. Sigh.

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Maggie Noffke's avatar

Sam reminds me, in a bad way, of Hillary's money and organizational advantage over Trump.

P.S. Will never again take a NYT poll to heart/Hillary 85% favorability in 2016.

2016 Election Forecast: Who Will Be President? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

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Maggie Noffke's avatar

Will the Georgia board reap trouble for their interference?

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T Jefferson Snodgrass's avatar

The answer to the question about Wisconsin and Pennsylvania lies on the front page of today's New York Times: Dane County. Dane County is the national capital of Yankeedom in exile. For 120 years, it's been the proud seat of Wisconsin progressivism. It has thrived on the confluence of education, technology (from cheesemaking in the 1890s to biotech and healthcare tech in the 2020s), and state government and based it on the legacy of the foward-thinking Scandinavians who built it. It's correlate is Hennepin County, Minnesota. There is no Dane County in Pennsylvania.

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Chris F's avatar

“And the crowd went wild!” Thanks Tim and Sam for giving me my best laugh of the day. Indeed only a narcissist of Trump’s level hears a crowd cheering him even if the only people present are two moderators and some production staff.

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Bruce Lawrence's avatar

Trump was probably thinking of the TV audience. We know he is a long-time TV guy, and that he is hyper-conscious of his ratings. He is always playing to an audience, even when he can't see them.

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Beth's avatar

The MAGAs on social media keep insisting that was the case. But they can't tell me how Trump knew in real time that his viewers were going crazy in their living rooms.

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Kara Barton's avatar

Completely off topic... but as Laura Loomer is single and, as indicated by the Economic Times, she is single because of her "obsession with Trump" , I can't help but think: single scat lady? I understand that this vulgarity may upset Sarah Longwell -- but , nonetheless "food" for thought. On an obsequious note, I thank you all for making every day better.

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roberto malinow's avatar

Tim raises a reasonable point regarding Nate Silver. Is he biased? And if so, why?

I do believe Silver is biased. For example, in his post-debate post, 1) he questioned the moderators’ fairness bc of their fact-checking; 2) he suggested that looking at the debate without sound made the debate appear even. And a few other “observations” Silver made that made me wonder if he was watching the same debate I saw. He also predicts based on “fundamentals” that Trump will win; 538 has Harris winning in “fundamentals”.

If he is biased, why? I really don’t know. But I think it may have to do with how he describes society. In his book “On the Edge”, he describes a group, the “Riverians”, who are characterized by their love of data, free speech, and capitalism. Silver describes them as being involved in a political power struggle against the Democratic-aligned "Village" elites. In this framing (which I think is pretty weird and self-aggrandizing), I assume he sees himself (and people like Thiel and Musk) as Riverians. It seems only reasonable that he would like to pall with these folks. And I assume that having a model that predicts their desires would get him in with that crowd.

Note: his model is complicated (even for a neuroscientist!) with “fudge factors” eg, his model downgraded Harris’ chances based on an expected post-convention bump that didn’t materialize; of course this model didn’t incorporate effects like RFK jr dropping out etc; assassination attempts; etc. How you tweak “fudge factors” will definitely affect predictions. I suspect that no one can really tell if he has his thumb on the scale.

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Ray Oyler's avatar

I'm baffled why Silver thinks "fundamentals" would favor Trump. From what I've seen, the fundamentals are more favorable to Harris than the polling. Fundraising, small dollar donations, first time donations, voter registrations, crowd sizes and enthusiasm all favor Harris.

Couple this with the fact that polls are already attempting to correct for underestimating Trump in the past, and you have a pretty hefty built-in tilt toward Trump.

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roberto malinow's avatar

I think Silver considers the public view on the economy, immigration and crime as “fundamentals”. But the public is changing their view on who is better on these issues. And all the factors you mention support this. And I think abortion will get millions off the couch. I don’t think enthusiasm is well modeled.

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Migs's avatar

2 comments. One good, one bad.

1. Sam is a great hire. He has been awesome.

2. The negative. I’m sorry but the fact that Tim and Sam only talk on pod/YouTube periodically is absolutely unacceptable. This somehow has to be a regular occurrence. I do t know if I learn anything but I sure as hell laugh. Like I really cackle at you too. It’s like 2 teenagers talking politics who can barely get out their points because they are laughing. Well played guys. Well played

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Mary O’Hara's avatar

Salt in the wound over the Survivor News. I never watch the show. I was excited to watch. And then he got voted off the first episode!! 😭

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Patrick Ramsey's avatar

Hijacking to compliment Sam (and please pass on to Mark) on their Mark Robinson write up. Delectable presentation, I literally LOL'ed repeatedly in schadenfreude. My 10 year old asked what was so funny. "A couple of great writers, son, that's what!"

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H in WI's avatar

Can someone please explain what JD Vance's wife is thinking day after day? I mean, she is clearly intelligent and accomplished. Please do tell.

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Deirdre Dawson's avatar

I was in the car listening and the giggling made me want to watch the video (which I did as soon as I got back to my desk). Tim has an interesting finger gesture while listening to Melania...

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Steve Moody's avatar

I’m in awe of the recruitment juice that The Bulwark has had, as a start up.

Will, the now departed and much missed Dr Ted, AB, and Sam. Just an amaz array of thinkers and writers.

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H in WI's avatar

Sorry, but who is Dr Ted?

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Steve Moody's avatar

Theodore Johnson. Got called up to the bigs. JVL’s colourful description. The WaPo from memory.

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Dave Yell's avatar

Maybe in their haste to put a more human look to Trump and his campaign, the campaign gave the go ahead for Melania to talk about her nude modeling career. I'm sure that will appeal to a very, very, very small sunset of the electorate. :)

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Leila Gough's avatar

Tim - the negative info on Nate Silver also appeared on the pod with Reed Gallen and Simon Rosenberg (Lincoln Project) where essentially it is assumed Nate is in the bag for DJT to reflect positive polls in an effort to litigate the results of the 2024 election. "If the polls are doing so well, how could we have lost?"

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lisa orlando's avatar

One good thing: no endorsement means the Teamsters are unlikely to turn people out. I saw that some locals have endorsed Harris, but nothing about whether some have endorsed Trump. That might matter.

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mollymoe222's avatar

Although my very favorite video of you and Sam is the bear cub video, this was great. I like the combo of information and humor. And the Melania clip was a chef’s kiss.

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ME's avatar
Sep 19Edited

We're cheering for you!!!

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Caitlin Sloan's avatar

Hey heads up on polls Tim. Let NC go. They always say in every election cycle that NC can swing. I hv lived here so long, it is a pipe dream. Really just Red state, not massive point spread, but still. I mean look at what we hv for the Geubentorial race. Just revolting imo. The fact it is brought up in national news, says a lot. There are so many college educated transfers (myself included) from other states, one would think. But hey if you hv any good luck pixie dust, send this way.

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Ray Oyler's avatar

Biden lost NC by 1.35%. Definitely not red, but purple.

If anyone can deliver NC to Harris, it is Mark Robinson. Another monster the GOP has created that is now running amok.

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Melanie Reed's avatar

Re: Trump's comment about the cheering audience at the debate - when you lie about everything, there is no need for memory or for thinking of any kind. Also did Melania compare her nude modeling photos with Michelangelo's David? These Trumps really live on a different planet...

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Childless Cat Person's avatar

I 100% believe Trump hallucinates cheering audiences everywhere he goes.

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Jess Knowles's avatar

48% of me liked this podcast the other 52% of me just felt anxious.

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Tim Cremer's avatar

You two guys are so…

Love the comments and the perspective.

Nice interview w/Ms. Craig.

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tupper's avatar

Susanne is so great. Love her reporting and her cabin which I hope is real and not a zoom background

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Lori Johnson's avatar

Tim, you asshole! I taped Survivor and was going to watch it tonight! And the only reason I was going to watch was because of Lovett! Man.

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Elizabeth C Bennett's avatar

Go Tim! Go Sam! I was cheering for you both as I was watching (and laughing). Thanks for your insights.

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Oh, good. That's the first compliment you've paid me since I've come to the Bulwark. So this feels like a good start to the podcast. Thanks. Well, I've got to do it live. I can't pump you up too much in person. Fair enough. I'm going to make you work for it. It's been wonderful having you.