Will Saletan is in for Sarah and he and JVL have a long, high-level conversation about the conflicts between liberalism and democracy; the need for institutions and civil society; and the problem with “guardrails.”
It’s all very high-toned. Also: Will is optimistic about Kamala Harris’s chances while JVL is . . . struggling.
Oh, and there’s beard talk. Sh…
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