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The Shape of Things to Come
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The Shape of Things to Come

Ron DeSantis and everything after.
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Sarah and JVL talk about the DeSantis launch, his January 6 pardon weasel words, and the norming of soft-authoritarianism.

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Jonathan V. Last
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