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Tim Miller: Trump Has Already Ball-Gagged Them in the Basement

April 28, 2023
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Republicans are so weak and craven: DeSantis has three bad weeks, and they’ve thrown in the towel—they’re not even trying to try to defeat Trump. Plus, Disney reminds conservatives they’re supposed to like smaller government, and Tucker is even worse in private. Tim Miller joins Charlie Sykes for the weekend pod.

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  • Speaker 1
    0:00:08

    Well, happy Friday. Welcome to the Bulwark Secret Podcast. I’m Charlie Sykes with Tim Miller of course. I hope you’ve had a great week, Tim. I’m
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:16

    doing great, Charlie Sykes know, a lot of box unpacking, but life is good. I’ve been hearing from a lot of Bulwark people who are sending well wishes. I love it. With people are enjoying the schtick. They wanna know what what tune you’re gonna try to stump me on this week and, you
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:30

    know Yeah. But I just not gonna do that. I’m sorry. I know we we should play the hit. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:33

    We should do we should do that every week, but I you know, it’s it’s one of those weeks where it’s just too packed. I’m going through the
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    list of things and realizing a box loss for starters. There’s that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:43

    Too soon. It’s too soon. The I hate the the trade of Erin Rogers, which I I I really don’t care about. I’m sorry. I just, you know, I think this is one of the things that happens maybe in certain eras or maybe just because I’m getting old, but they’re just a growing list of things that I just not only don’t care about, I can’t make myself care about, which is kinda weird.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:01

    Yeah. That’s healthy. I think it is. I’m
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:03

    real sorry. This
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:03

    is actually one of the things that I do not miss about having a daily video show because when you have a daily radio show, you had to care about everything and have an opinion on everything. And right now, it’s like, you know, I I got nothing. Like, for example, I do not wanna talk to you today about the debt ceiling and what Kevin McCarthy pulled off a couple of days ago. I’m just not interested. I mean, you may be interested in it, but but can we talk about other stuff?
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:28

    Yeah. So that’s fine. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:30

    You’re in charge. So let’s talk about a little bit about Tucker Cross. Because you and I had not spoken since he was Summarly fired. I will confess. I find that an endlessly interesting story, including that very weird video that he dropped.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:44

    Wednesday night that you caught that a couple of nights ago. He’s up there. Hold up in Maine. He’s just been fired. Alright.
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    0:01:51

    Just quick quick at it. Quick at
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    it. We had a commenter that pointed this out and I did a little rekind of this. Main is part of his personal brand. He’s he’s really only up there in the summer. He’s in Boca Raton.
  • Speaker 2
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    Okay. It’s not as cool to say Boca
  • Speaker 1
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    Raton. I think
  • Speaker 2
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    I think Tucker likes the idea of him as a mountain man and the flannel, but he’s actually down there in Boca Raton with you know, with the retirees. Okay. It’s an important note.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:11

    So he’s down in Boca, you know. But he’s got the bad makeup, the bad lighting. One of the things I speculated about with Brian Stelter the other day is who’s Fox gonna come and and and take and take back all of his equipment. Will they, you know, like ding ding ding. I
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:22

    like Brian. Brian was very it was a great podcast. We It wasn’t I like Brian just like very seriously considering that question and then kind of coming to to after a few seconds. We’re like, yeah, I do think they’re gonna take the equipment actually anyway.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:34

    Mister Tucker, we’re here for your stuff, you know. Hey. I’ll write you a check. I’ll keep it. What he was interesting about that was, I mean, obviously, he’s he’s going through his popular schtick that you need to, you know, have truth tellers and blah blah blah, you know, corporate media.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:48

    He always speaking and he’s clearly threatening to speak more, but we kind of knew that. But it was something flat about it and I don’t know what you thought about it, but it looks like he might have taped that shortly after the New York Times dropped its latest story about him, which everybody was talking about yesterday. By the way, we’re doing this on Thursday for Friday morning. So if the world has completely changed, you’ll understand that it’s not because we’re smoking something. It’s because there’s a time lag.
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    0:03:15

    I just think the latest New York Times reporting is so interesting. Private messages sent by mister Carlson that had been redacted in legal filings showed him making highly offensive and crude remarks that went beyond — No. — show, the inflammatory, often racist comments on his nighttime show and anything disclosed in the lead up to the trial. Despite the fact that Fox’s trial lawyers had the messages for months, the board and some senior executives we’re just now learning about their details for the first time setting off a crisis at the highest levels of the company according to blah blah blah. But I really like the formulation.
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    They were highly offensive and crude remarks that went beyond the so it the inflammatory often racist comments on television. They they that
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    was very
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    bad, but that that not a deal breaker. Nobody was really sweating that. They, you know, what what a surprise
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:06

    What did I heard that Suzanne and Scott got called the c word? Mean, let’s just be real. Like, this is all a big euphemism. In fact, it is real boss, Susan Scott, he called the c word. I mean, I you know, it’s pretty clear that that was at least one of the things.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:17

    Maybe there’s some other stuff. One of the Abby grocery things that kinda got lost. If there’s just this parade of horrible and offenses with Tucker, and, you know, it’s hard to keep track of all of them. But The one that stuck out to me, and I just wonder if there’s more on the tapes was was Abby, inner filing, referencing how Tucker was talking about aborting school, teenage girls in aborting school, having sex and, you know, making some remarks about how, you know, if his daughter wasn’t there. That sounds good to him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:44

    Something to that effect. I don’t have it in front of me. So, you know, a little of hemophilia also could conceivably be in there. You know, who the hell knows?
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:52

    It could be. You you just never know. I mean, he’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:55

    hiring crisis comms, people. You know, I mean, so that could be it could be anything, but there’s obviously some other stuff in the private emails. I I don’t know what your private emails look like, Charlie, if you think that if you’d survive your daily podcast I’m going through redacting almost all of them. I mean, I think everybody
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:12

    needs to go, okay, now what did I actually say or write in that text message? I think the delicious irony of course is all the Fox executives finding out that Tucker Carlson was actually even worse in private than he was in public. It’s like, so we don’t mind what you’re telling tens of millions of people on the air, but whoa, that private email.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:33

    Was it maybe a little bit of tip that Tucker had, like, three people fired from from his staff at Fox because it was revealed that they were posting on, like, white nationalist web sites with, like, doing racist jokes. And you would have thought maybe that might have been a signal that probably a tell. Yeah. That privately that Tucker’s conversations were also pretty bad. If if he was, you know, entrusting his show into people that were, like, posting on eight channels, the most disgusting racist bias, you know, it’s probably not the case that that that guy and Tucker, you know, weren’t doing a little bit of racist banter themselves.
  • Speaker 2
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    Not a big jump. And I
  • Speaker 1
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    still wanna always go for the, you know, most cynical default setting here, but as I was thinking about the New York Times reporting, and the the the the this drip drip drip that you’re gonna get about talking across from what he said in private and everything. You know, there was that little voice saying, well, you know, maybe this is gonna stop. You know, doctor Carlson’s come back or we’ll slow it down. I thought, no. Are you kidding me?
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:37

    Tucker Charlie Sykes core audience is not gonna have a problem with any of this if they even hear about it. Yeah. Right? I mean, it’s just I mean, how many times do we have to learn this sort of thing? What is your thinking as as a crisis communications manager?
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:51

    Where does Tucker end up? Because he’s going to end up somewhere. And he’s going to be big somewhere, despite all of this. Right? It’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:58

    a different world than when I was doing crisis comps, particularly on the right. Just, like, just how, like, exponentially, the conservative media, megabit ecosystem has expanded. Yeah. De platforming, which I’m not really a huge fan of, like, does work and is important in extreme cases. I can let you can look at Milo, Yionopoulos as a prime example.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:19

    That’s right. Member, Myla — Yeah. — you know, was the provocateur for the Breit Bart. Definitely. God designed the platform.
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    He deserved it. And now he’s, like, sell in China on, like, an off brand, right wing Christian home shopping network. So it worked for him. You know? Like, he he got the platform, Dole Riley.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:37

    Now has some Internet show. You know, no one knows how to find it. Like, the only time you ever see it is if the media matters, guys, like, you know, clip it and put it on Twitter. So, like, deep platform Bulwark, but for somebody like Tucker, you know, he could team up with, you know, the daily wire world. You know, you could team up with a you know, probably too ideological if I could Joe Rogan, but, you know, making
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:58

    Kelly right now. Like, there are these, like, a step down. Yeah. It
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:01

    is a step down. I I need those things. And the only thing that’s not a step down you know, the only thing that he could do that’s not a step
  • Speaker 1
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    down. Yeah. Let him join the
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:07

    Bulwark. Running for president. Okay. Or joining the ballwork. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:11

    No. We wouldn’t have So the only news is that the burning for president was
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:14

    a better answer. Okay? Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:15

    I mean, that would not be a step down. It didn’t that video that he gave last night to me didn’t scream like a political candidate’s video. It screens like come on back and sign up for, you know, you pay ninety nine dollars a month to get tuck or unfiltered. That’s what it seems like to me. And
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:31

    there will be people who will do that. Like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:32

    god, if you saw the numbers, so there’s this for people who are just, god bless you, you know, I suffer. For all of you. So Google who don’t even know that these names are. There’s this big dispute in conservative media watching this guy Steven Crowder. Oh, yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:44

    Who is this? Like, you know, kind of dumpy looking guy that’s a little a feet, but, like, Tom, but acts like he’s a big stuff, tough strong man. And then, like, he goes to college campuses and fights with kids. And he was in a to have the legal dispute with the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro’s Outlet, over finances. And some of his numbers got revealed, and it was like, astonishing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:04

    The number of people that were paying hundreds of dollars for, you know, Stephen Crowder unfiltered. And like for his t shirts, like making fun of fags and like his mugs about liberal tears. Like, you know, he was bringing him tens upon tens of millions. Weird. And he has a much slower profile than Tucker.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:22

    So if Crowder can do it, if the DailyWire can do it, Tucker could maybe Tucker could team up with some of them at, you know, who knows? I I think that there are potential options out there for him sadly. I I don’t know that a d platform is is gonna completely go ahead of him. I will say this, and I think this is important to understand though. There is a crowd.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:39

    You know, if you look at the numbers on Fox, there is a dip from Tucker show to Laura’s. Right? But it’s like, are those the only people that actually go with Tucker? The ones that turn it off? Because there there is like, let’s just be real, some attention zombies out there who just turned it to channel
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:53

    a hundred and twelve, the soundtrack of their demented deranged lives. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:56

    And it’s just on all day. And, like, it’s There’s stories. You know, it’s Jesse Waters, and then it’s Heraldo, and then it’s Brett, you know, and they’re like, oh, I better go cook dinner during Brett’s because he’s a little too cockish for me. And then you come back, and it’s well, and it’s soccer. It’s Lauren.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:11

    It’s Shawn. It’s Maria. And You know? So I’m
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:14

    impressed that you know the lineup that well. That’s a little disturbing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:18

    Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I know that I was texting with the media reporter today who was saying that who do you think Trump is gonna want for the Fox debate? You know, because now that he’s flexing his muscle and trying to, you know, force Fox in go to the table on the presidential debates and and this person was suggesting Hannity. And I was like, oh, no.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:33

    No. He’s gonna go for Maria. And the person was like, his Marie is still on Fox. I was like, yeah. She’s got three hours every morning on Fox Business.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:40

    You know? I turn it on with my coffee to get just get a little bit of a freak show every once in a while. So the thing about Tucker, I’m gonna I’m gonna confess that I’ve given too
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:48

    much thought to all. Okay. That’s what I used to do. I talked about it with Brian Stoltzas the other day. The interesting thing about Tucker is first of all, Tucker is, like, making more money than God.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:55

    I mean, he was making, what, twenty, thirty five to a million dollars. He he comes for money. I don’t think that money has been the key motivation. Wasn’t
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:03

    it a hot pocket fortune that it came from? Like Swanson Foods or something like
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:06

    that. Yeah. So there’s a show I said this on the podcast or probably when you talk as much as I do. Have I said this already? Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:14

    So there’s a show that that’s done massively rated on on Apple TV called Hello to marrow and it’s basically about a scam where people are selling time shares on the moon. It’s actually very funny. It’s very good. And the chief salesman is is genius of of human psychology. And he’s trying to get this very, very wealthy woman to invest in the non existent time shares on the moon and He realizes that she’s figured out it’s all bullshit that there are no time shirts on the moon, but he still wants her to invest in it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:44

    And so she basically calls him out on it. And he looks at her and and you can see his, you know, the wheel’s turning in his head and he goes, you know, I don’t think you are in this for the money. I think you are in this for what you can get away with, and they bond. And that’s the thing about Tucker. Is that there’s been this thing where it’s like he’s sitting there going, okay, I got all these ratings.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:07

    I got all the money. What can I get away with now? What bullshit can I put out on the air? Can I push this limit even further? So that’s still gonna be as calculated.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:17

    The problem is that doing your little YouTube channel may bring in ten million dollars a year to your, you know, ten thousand, hundred thousand, whatever listeners. But it doesn’t have the same I don’t know. Tangle up your leg. Of doing it on Fox News. I guess
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:31

    I just disagree with that. Hey, sure. There we have proof to to disagree with this, and I mentioned this on the next level, so I’ll just say it briefly, but we have an example of this. It’s Megan Kelly. And Megyn Kelly got a sixty plus million buyout from NBC after a show tank.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:44

    Right. Trust me, Charlie Sykes things went south with the Bulwark, And if Sarah wanted to give me a sixty million dollar buyout, which I don’t think that is, you know, the kind of money we’re bringing in, but possible. But just hypothetically — Yeah. — let me tell you. You’re not gonna see me creating a competing Snapchat show.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:00

    Alright? I’m gonna be living a very nice life, you know, with sixty million. But
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:03

    that oh, let’s see. This is my point though. It’s not about the money for Tucker. It’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:07

    he’s got some other thing. Right. And so Meghan does too. And so she is this podcast and she just says outlandish things all the time. Like, on the
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:14

    podcast
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:14

    and she because she wants to get that little thrill of the leg that comes from triggering the elite media.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:20

    Yeah. Think that’s exactly I think that’s what he’s going to continue.
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    0:15:00

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  • Speaker 1
    0:15:23

    listen. K. Before we get into, you’re very, very provocative triad yesterday where you talk about the GOP establishment just not knowing how to quit Trump and all the evidence of that. Would you like a tail from the Heartland? I would love one.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:38

    Just for a moment. Because I know you’re hanging around with all the the cool beautiful people in Washington DC this week I just wanna tell you what’s happening in the real America out here. Please do not give us the comments. Charlie Sykes, there’s no real America. Washington is the real America.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:52

    The people I’m seeing on my brief trip to DC are not real America. So I’m not I’m not offended. Yeah. Please continue.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:59

    So it’s a story from my friend, Jim Wiggerson’s newsletter and a report from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel about a a woman named Ali Schweitzer who is the leader of the Republican women of Waukesha County. Is crucial Waukesha County. Mhmm. And any discussion of what’s happening in Wisconsin, inevitably will come Can
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:18

    I just guess where this is gonna go? Ali has seen the light No. And and it wants to take the party back to its traditional classical
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:26

    liberal accent. Would be a different podcast story.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:32

    But there is a podcast for that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:34

    I know, but this is not that one. Any discussion about Republican politics in Wisconsin always comes back to this question, what the hell happened to the Republican women in Waukesha County? So this will give you a little taste of this. Okay? She’s she’s the leader of this group.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:48

    She she lives in Oconomy Walk. Yeah. She which is in Waukesha County. She shows up at the Merton school board meeting to complain about the treatment of a Wauwatosa resident by the Wauwatosa school board. Okay?
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:00

    You probably lost the thread there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:02

    All the words, I’ll walk in time. And I just
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:04

    Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. I pronounced them all correctly. So this woman, Alice Switzer, shows up at the wrong school board meeting to complain about another school board in another county.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:13

    But here’s here’s the part of the reason why this story is just about. Schweitzer brings along props. Here’s the story from Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Okay? Conservative activist, Alexander Schweitzer, head of parents on patrol and no left turn in education shot those attending a Merton’s school board meeting earlier this week by pulling out and displaying sex toys while testifying before the board.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:38

    Schwizer used the props as part of her defense of board member Troy Anderson who had been censured earlier in the meeting for online bullying using the c word in a face book post and criticizing Wawatosa’s new sex education curriculum in another post. Quote, so let’s look at the toys the eighth grade in Wawatosa has to look at. Said Schweitzer, president of the Republican women of Waukesha County. This is exactly what you are censuring Tory for. For this, holding out a dildo or as the journal sentinel editors felt needed to clarify or penis shaped sex toy, she held a couple of such objects throughout her testimony.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:18

    Now, this is the same Ali Schweitzer who received a cease and desist letter from the O’Connor Walk school board for her behavior in her school district. She also recently, this is the kind of person she is. This is these are the people shaping our politics here in the heartland. Schweta also recently criticized a dog undergoing treatment for cancer in a social media post because she did not like the owner. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:44

    Is Withers is right. If Schweitzer is an outlier, she’s in the company of genetic exceptions. The Republican women of Waukesha County famously gave Kyle Rittenhouse’s mother a standing ovation just before his trial. And of course, the Waukesha GOP has become ground zero for such craziness is showing documentaries explaining that Trump really won the twenty twenty presidential election. So She
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:07

    seems like a strong candidate for a state party chair. I I I don’t know why she’s limiting herself to just crucial Lancashire County Republican win. You are seeing into the future. If you are seeing in all of
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:17

    our future, was actually on a show yesterday where somebody was describing the politics in Florida saying that, you know, the the trajectory that You once had the tea party movement and the tea party movement was eaten by Maga. But right now, Maga is being eaten by Q and Han. It is each step to get us crazier and crazier. So this is a a mood setter to get us into the more less subsidies stuff, whatever. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:41

    Can we talk about Nikki Haley? For a moment. I’m
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:44

    just getting riled up for people getting bored. Like, the heater that I’ve got coming on the Republican establishment. We’re just this is a teaser. We’re just saving it for the eblock
  • Speaker 6
    0:19:51

    What do
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:52

    you mean people getting bored? I’m just saying, if I can’t love the story of the woman showing up at the Merton school board with a dildo. I
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:58

    know. I’m just saying if if anyone, you know, heard Nikki Haley coming up next, and start to go — Oh, I see. — you know, and I was like, trust me, I got a heater coming. It’s inside it’s inside me. It’s building right now anyway.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:07

    But let’s do Nicki Hayley. She’s been great. I thought it’s some backbone from her. Did you
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:11

    A little. In my newsletter yesterday, I described this as this quagmire that Ron DeSantis is, like, you know, finds himself in this quagmire of this fight with Disney. And all of his instincts are, let’s go in deeper. Let’s go in deeper. I guess, like, governor, you’re up to your neck and this, not going deeper, this lawsuit they filed against.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:30

    I mean, that’s a banger. In any case, everybody else is dumping on him. You’ve had Trump trolling him. You’ve had Chris Christie making fun of him. And then Nikki Charlie Sykes on Fox.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:43

    That’s probably what Nikki Haley said yesterday.
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    0:20:45

    You know, as governor, I took a double digit unemployment state and I turned it into an economic powerhouse businesses were my partners because if you take care of your businesses, you take care of your economy, your economy, takes care of the people and everyone wins. And so that’s the way we dealt with it. We are South Carolina was a very anti woke state, it still is. And if Disney would like to move their hundreds of thousands of jobs to South Carolina and bring the billions of dollars with them. I’ll let them know.
  • Speaker 8
    0:21:12

    I’ll be happy to meet them in South Carolina and introduce them to the governor and the legislature that would that would welcome it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:19

    Oh. Disney World Columbia. That’s right. So she’s basically and the DeSantis people I mean, they got it. And oh, she threw in, like, a we’re empty book, but we’re not sanked ammonia.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:30

    Yes. And do you have the super pack for DeSantis who, you know, lashing back with her with this montage of Disney employees saying various woke, Pro gay things, and they’re nailing, you know, what they calling her, you know, Mickey Haley or whatever. So Give me your take on that. Nikki Haley going after DeSantis inviting Disney to move. I just keep having these mixed views about all this stuff like like it was when
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:54

    I first
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:55

    saw
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:55

    it like Nicky culinary on sanctimonious, I was like, oh, that’s a good one. There’s something there. They’re fighting. Things are getting rowdy. Then on the other hand, then you’re like,
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:04

    wait a minute. Vamre live in twenty sixteen again. This is how you get Trump. Is
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:09

    Vamre live in twenty a sixteen year. It’s just like, can she not show the same high heel when she’s asked about Trump? You know, she keeps talking about she’s kicking forward and she can kick through meatball run, you know, she can kick right through them. But Can she kick at Trump? No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:26

    So anytime I get get to have a little bit of joy about that, you know, it has to be tempered with this reality check. But I mean, I think that it’s just to show how weak, Ron DeSantis says, the conservative world, it’s in such a different universe, you know, from reality, that sometimes it’s hard to judge. Like how will something play, you know, which is why I suffer through all these conservative media outlets, you know, to, you know, make sure I’m
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:47

    still
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:48

    in in touch with what’s happening in Crazyland. And, you know, I think that the fact that Nikki felt like she could attack him. In one of my other fox business forays yesterday, I was watching Larry Kudlow. Just annihilate the Santa’s over this. And he had some Goomba who I’ve never seen before, you know, for some made up grifter pack on the show, who is also annihilating DeSantis over the Disney thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:10

    And Cuddl gets to a point. It’s like it’s scary when me and Larry Cuddl are thinking the same thing. That makes you check your priors a little bit, but he said something that I’ve been saying, which is like, people don’t even really know what this fight is about anymore. It’s one thing to be a fighter over a fighting Biden or even a fighting a fake thing, like, the caravan or the it’s ground zero mosque. Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:31

    Right. That everybody knows what it is and who the enemy is and they hate it. But it’s just like he has this fight with Disney that seems about nothing. It is
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:39

    about willingness it’s about the fight now. I’ve said this that at a certain point you forget what it’s about and the fight becomes about the fight.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:45

    Right. And so when it’s something like Disney, when it’s something like jobs, it’s something like Peter Pan, you know, people start to be like, this seems This is a little weird, you know. And I I wrote earlier this week about just an artist, in the comparison of him, tell us with Warren. Now trigger warning for the list with Warren fans listening. But — Mhmm.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:01

    — it’s not a a comp in that o you know, they’re both equally disingenuous. It’s just that they got wrapped around the ax on this stuff that only super online you know, members of their base care about, you know. And somebody an old born supporter had sent me something that was like, I’m getting flashbacks to this, and they sent me these, like, clips of Warren, you know, talking about Bulwark Wimic Soon, you know, for Warren. And it’s like, what is that? Like, no we like, no black women, you put an x where the e is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:30

    Like, even if it’s well intentioned that you’re trying to be inclusive, it’s like weird. It’s not how normal people talk. And like that parallel is starting to be there with DeSantis where it’s like, you listen to Nicky Haley right there and and it’s like, well, this Sydney seems like a normal person that is talking. I mean, she has to throw in the weird woke you know, sentence, but at least it sounds like a human that you could understand what they were saying. Ron DeSantis’ Disney stuff feels like it’s you know, just like a message board fight that you’ve come in and you don’t know who any of the characters
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:01

    are. Who’s fighting? Why? That didn’t lost I mean, just calls him out on this, you know, a targeted campaign of government retaliation orchestrated at every step by governor Ron DeSantis as punishment for Disney’s protected speech. And there’s a certain economy there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:16

    Right? I mean, they’re just hitting every one of these notes here. Look, This is from the lawsuit. Disney expressed its opinion on state legislation and was then punished by the state for doing so. Can you take a deep breath?
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:28

    You do not have to be a look progressive to see that that’s a problem. This is why guys like Larry Kudler are going weak. You know, we spent our whole lives talking about, you know, smaller government government not beating up on companies, free speech, four companies, all of this. And the sand is saying, that’s not what you want. You you want me to, you know, use this gigantic cudgel to smash Disney for disagreeing with me for saying something.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:53

    And the more you get into the head he’s got, are you serious that he is spending this much political capital going after one of his state’s biggest employers, and, you know, I think we’ve talked about this before, all Disney would have to do besides this lawsuit. Is put out a press release saying we are actively considering taking Nickyhelia one off or we’re actively considering moving to Colorado. Or, you know, moving some of our operations. This may affect ten thousand jobs. Hernandez is dead man walking the moment they suggest.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:24

    That they’re going to move the billions of dollars of economic impact, of taxes, of employment out of the state of Florida. And it’s like, here’s a reminder. Ron DeSantis is not a chess player. Is he? He is not thinking he moves down the board here.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:41

    It
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:41

    also you know, you don’t expect consistency from these people. But again, like, showing doing this video running an ad a video of random, no names, staffers at the Disney Corporation, like, from some leak thing. It’s like, can you imagine the shoes on the other foot? And can you just imagine the pearl clutching and the a a ending of garments if, like, Joe Biden. Super PAC had sent out a video of, like, Chick fil A, staffers talking about Jesus and and one man, one woman marriage.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:05

    And he was, like, the assistant marketing manager for Chick fil A. I you know, cancel culture. I you know what I mean? Like, just the outrage over this would would be kind of legit. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:15

    And and because it’s like, this is crazy. Like, you’re you’re coming down on four random staffers down at this massive conglomerate. Anyway, the whole thing is ridiculous.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:27

    And Disney has been very sort of mild up until now. It’s like, okay, you know, we’re going to quietly remind you about our economic impact we’re going to quietly remind you about the legality of these contracts. We’re going to quietly mention various things. And then they dropped this lawsuit in federal court. This government action was patently retaliatory, patently anti business, and patently unconstitutional, but the governor and his allies have made clear, they do not care and will not stop.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:56

    This is in the court filing. So it’s like, I’m guessing that they said around the Disney event screw this, gloves off. We’re going, you know? Yeah. You come for the mouse, you better take the mouse.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:08

    Because we’re you know, it’s a
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:09

    bad sign. It’s also a bad sign of your whole pitch that you can fight the left and win. You know, that, like, you’re totally unable now to fight this you know, you take on this big fight and you’re just getting slapped around by Mickey Mouse. And, you know, you can’t stand up to Trump. It’s going at his core argument for why Republican voters liked him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:27

    Was the idea that he was taken on Fauci like, okay. Well, you took on that little guy that you can’t, you know, Bob Iger’s smackin’ you around right now.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:35

    So here’s the dilemma because I’m figuring that in your next life, Tim, you’re going to be a Hollywood screenwriter, and you’re gonna be coming up with, you know, series about, you know, politics, you know, the the west wing of the next decade. The problem is is that if you sat down, you know, as a scriptwriter or a showrunner, and you said, okay. I wanna portray this, you know, really asshole politician who picks exactly the wrong fight. Could you do any better than saying, and let’s go to war with what Disney World. She’s doing stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:02

    What I mean, can you make it a we’re gonna go after motherhood and apple pie. Let’s go after I I wanna go to war with Yeah. What is the most beloved company in America? I mean, the most Who does everyone love? Mhmm.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:16

    It’s a tough one. We’re too divided. Not everybody doesn’t love anybody.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:19

    I know. That’s what that’s what I was thinking. I was coming up with some names ago and none of I can come up with the hatred. Okay. So yesterday — Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:28

    — you kinda let it all out. Republican establishment wishes they knew how to quit Trump. Your good buddy, Jonathan Martin, also had a piece in political. People are asking themselves is Trump inevitable. So let’s talk about that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:42

    Jay Mark got my got my Dan dropped.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:45

    Okay. Tell me about it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:46

    Yeah. I had started drafting this actually before the j r article came out because a couple of things happened. I I just couldn’t believe. I could believe it. I when I had some little time on an airplane, I was like, I can’t believe this stuff is just sliding by.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:57

    Nobody’s mentioning it. The two things that jumped out of me were Lee’s Elton. Who is the Republican, gubernatorial candidate in New York, who by all counts, did better than expectations. New York was one of the few bright spots for Republicans. The Tom Cottons of the world, the closet, normal Republicans were, like, Lisa, okay, listen.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:14

    I mean, we can get him to they they’re trying to get him to run the RNC over Ryanox. They’re, all these Trumpers lost, Lee’s album knows how to do it. Yeah. He was rumored to be a top official in the DeSantis campaign. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:24

    Definitely. Now we’ve got Steve Danes. Steve Danes is the head of the National Republican Senate Committee. So his job is to elect Republican senators. That’s the job he’s gonna run the campaign committee.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:34

    And he’s the new incoming. He’s Senator from Montana. Okay. These two guys, in the manner of a couple days, both endorsed Trump twenty twenty four. Zelda was supposed to work for the scientists, changed his mind endors Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:46

    Danes went on Trump Junior’s podcast, the triggered podcast, which ranks below the Bulwark podcast on the Apple rankings. He went on the triggered podcast to endorse Trump in front of his, like, Neppo baby kid. Well, he’s way sniffed on this live stream. It’s like, this is lunacy, and nobody says anything. And so
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:05

    hold on. This this siggler danger because, I mean, as you point out, it’s his job to manage the campaign committee whose entire purpose is the election of Republican senators. Right? And
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:14

    Trump take to that last cycle.
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:16

    Right. And as you pointed out, not to mention that seven of Danes’ colleagues voted just three years ago to convict Trump over his attempt to overthrow the government as I have forget
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:25

    it. We’re
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:26

    we’re all in on on all of this. Madness. Madness, mister Miller. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:30

    Yeah. Here, this is where content synergies come into place. As I’m writing this rant about Zelda and Danes and could have throw a late line and it was like in a sane world, they would at minimum be people on background in political you know, the Republican strategist types that I wrote about my book saying to Jonathan Martin, like, what is James doing? Like, we we need to place him with somebody who is not an idiot who is awake during twenty twenty two, realizes that, like, we need candidates like Mike D’Wine, who won, not freak shows like Hersha Walker and Doctor Oz. But there was none of that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:01

    Nobody in the Republican orbit was at all niffed. It didn’t seem like by this. There’s no evidence of it on Twitter in these articles. And then the next day, Jonathan’s article comes out and it’s the opposite. These guys are all on background talking to Jonathan saying, oh, we might just need to come to terms with Trump one more time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:19

    You know, it’s just we just might have to accept it. The quote that I like the best was this guy who says, you know, we might just need to go into the basement and ride out the tornado. And it’s like — Yeah. — the shrimp. It’s like a strategist.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:32

    This is the true to pinpoint. It’s like bro. Bro, you’ve been in the basement the whole time. You’ve been in the basement since when you didn’t go into the basement. You’ve been in the basement since twenty deemed when Trump puts you down there in ballgag, Joe.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:44

    Okay. You’ve been stuck down there for eight years now. Alright? So, like, you’re not going into the basement. You’re there already.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:49

    You’re staying there. What is today’s date? It is April twenty eighth. We’re not even voting for nine months. There’s there’s not even any voting.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:58

    It’s one thing if Matt Gates endorses Trump. You know, like, this is what you expect from these Gryfter losers. You know, that, like, the person who’s supposed to be in charge of the campaign committee, the person that all of them supposed that normal Republicans wanted to run the whole party are endorsing Trump already because tiny d had a bad three weeks It boggles the mind. These people are so craving. Like, they are so weak.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:24

    They’re not even trying to fight him?
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:26

    Well, this is what was interesting is. There’s also you pointed out, I mean, connecting all these dots. There’s all this is happening at once. You know, you pointed out that this week was revealed that when the Republican National Committee did its autopsy on why they lost in twenty twenty two, they were too scared to even mention Trump’s name.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:42

    You doing an autopsy by twenty twenty two without mentioning Trump? But him in abortion were the whole reason that you lost. You could write a two sentence autopsy. It’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:50

    only Trump is intimidating or scaring them. Right? I mean, they are scaring themselves. They are preemptively basically ballgagging themselves. They don’t even wait for him to come down the stairs into the basement.
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:59

    It’s like, No. I got this. I got this. This
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:01

    This auntess was beating Trump in the polls like a month ago. He was beating him in a month ago. I they haven’t tried anything. And they’re already giving up. I just, you know I’m
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:10

    sorry to laugh here. Yeah. I was
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:11

    listening to the dispatch product. I said Mike comes on the other day, and Mike and Mike’s like, oh, I’m confident that people are gonna come to their senses. It’s like, why? Why? Nobody’s doing anything?
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:21

    Nobody’s trying? At least try. Okay? This this is my thing about Nikki and all when I I just I sometimes I I get weak and I still make fun of them. But, like, I will compliment you if you at least try to try to be Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:34

    Okay. Like, that is the minimum that we’re asking for. And they’re all thrown in the towel already.
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:39

    They’re just such plus these interesting that you would say that because I’ve been actually, you know, trying to I’ve been having a conversation with myself because apparently people are talking to themselves a lot these days. About Chris Christie because Chris Christie is the one guy who is essentially saying exactly the same thing you’re saying, which is like, guys, do not give into this temptation to do this. I mean, there is this. He’s looking around. He’s seeing the fact that there is this, you know, preemptive surrender going on.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:04

    But, I mean, it’s gonna take me a while to get around. Chris Christie, because you know how I feel about all of that. Sure. But at least he is doing this. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:11

    So it’s not just the politicians. You know, conservatism, Inc. It was all lined up to, you know, go along with the Sandoz. And your number two in yesterday’s trial was a two NRO, which of course is National Review. What’s going on with National Review, Tim?
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:26

    Yeah. So this also got my dander up, and which is why, you know, I stepped in for the TriNet. I was just like, I gotta do it in this letter today. I was too. Entry on the Internet.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:35

    And and I was just like, I was gonna do one tweet about it. Sounds like it deserves more. Jim Swift, like, I think, I guess, tweeted a link to a now I don’t follow the national view on Instagram, but it’s I’m trying to monitor the other sites left and right, their social media. Twitter might be dying. You know, we’re trying to up the Bulwark game in other places.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:52

    We’re all Twitter addicts. I’ve been monitoring other sites, seeing what they do. So I go to the Nationalviews Instagram page. And it’s like, I can’t do it justice in words. You have to go click on it yourself.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:02

    They have these memes of Trump beating DeSantis in the poll. Shlonging DeSantis and Shlonging. I mean, I used word shlonging, but here here’s what they use. Trump trumpsing DeSantis in his own state. Trump plus twenty seven, it’s like Trump with this, like, bad African face or as, you know, much as he can make a face that other people think is bad ass.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:22

    You know, I think he looks ridiculous. Then there’s another meme. Of Trump waving goodbye at the grave of BuzzFeed and, like, making fun of the the dossier. Another one of Trump staring down Alvin Bragg. They have a meme that’s a victorious.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:36

    He’s back photo with the triumphant Trump returning to Facebook. Like getting un banned from Facebook. Like, why is the national review doing this? Their own writers obviously Ron DeSantis. Most of the time it’s a DeSantis fanzying.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:51

    This
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:51

    is a rhetorical question. Right? This is a rhetorical question. Oh, I’m
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:54

    gonna answer my own rhetorical question. Yeah. Because it’s, like, they don’t have to do that. Right? You could just be a a Ron DeSantis fan scene, and we can make fun of that, but at least that’s an ethos.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:04

    You know. Okay. At least that is an idea. You do this because that’s what keeps the engagement. A lot of the voters still like Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:12

    And these places that still have influence could be choosing to suffer losing some engagement or getting some angry emails of your Steve Danes, you know, if they fought this. Impulse. And and tried to nudge people. And we talked it was just last week’s podcast where we talked about the fact that thirty two percent of people in that one South Johannes poll were ready to move on from Trump. It was
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:33

    scary. So it’s like — Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:34

    — could you if places like Dash or View, if people like Steve Danes, if people like Lee’s Eldon, who had credibility, were out there saying, hey, over and over again, move on if they’re posting to their feeds, memes of Trump looking like a a little wimp. And other people like Trump’s lost plenty. There’s plenty of memes that you could do to make Trump look bad, you know, just go to some resistant sites, you know, borrow some content. Could that have helped Nudge people, maybe not. Maybe they just lose their readers.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:00

    That’s a risk, I guess. But because nobody has, you know, the courage to try, We’re back in Groundhog Day again. You know, we’re back in Groundhog Day. Another year of this. Yes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:11

    So Redfield does Redfield. Rake does Rake. I mean, this is traditional internalized. I mean, part of it is that, you know, what you’re saying is if there was a little bit of leadership, a little bit of pushback might this change, people, I think, have internalized so deeply the fact that it’s too dangerous to lead in any way whatsoever. So the shrewd thing to do is always too follow the base.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:33

    Give them what they want, assuming that they never want to be told anything that might make them uncomfortable. Here’s the thing about being a thought leader is, you know, two things. I mean, number one, you have to think. Number two, you have to lead. And that seems to be like, what kind of a cock are you?
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:47

    You know, I mean, don’t you look at the polls? Don’t you understand? Don’t you want to be relevant here? So let me ask you the J. R.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:54

    Question. So — Uh-uh. — it’s April, nearly May. Twenty twenty three. Is Trump already inevitable?
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:00

    I I I don’t no. No. The short answer is no. He’s not inevitable. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:05

    You’re saying no. If nobody tries, he’s inevitable. If you can’t beat somebody with nobody, I still believe I wrote about the DeSantis worn problem at the end of that article earlier this week. I had a three paragraphs that was just like, is isn’t in stone yet? I’m loathed to give Ron DeSantis advice, but, like, he has a elevator pitch that could work.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:27

    K? That could work. And just as quickly as things moved in Trump’s favor, things could move back in his disfavor. Republican voters if you listen to Sarah Longwell focus groups, There are Republican voters out there that like Trump that could be persuaded to move on, you know, because he can’t win. But they have to be persuaded.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:45

    And the most disturbing poll this week was I think it was a Wall Street Journal one that asked Republican voters who they thought was more electable. Ron DeSantis or Trump? And DeSantis was winning, but it was with just forty one. And Trump was thirty one, and the rest were, I don’t know. That’s not enough.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:59

    Right? You gotta make the case that you can win. You can fight. You know how to do it. Trump is a loser.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:06

    And if everybody out there from Fox to NRO, to Tucker, to, you know, daily wire, to all the senators, to Lee’s Eldon, are out there talking about how Trump is this strong man, you know, who can’t be defeated, then yeah, he’s inevitable. And so if that’s what they’re gonna do, then he’s inevitable.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:22

    Yeah. There would be more angst about this. Because
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:24

    and bear with me. I’m anxious.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:26

    Joe Biden is imminently beatable from a Republican point of view. He is weak. The economy is slowing, inflation is just changing the economics of the household. There’s a real strong case to be made except it becomes increasingly hard to imagine that any Republican could compete him. So this would be the kind of thing that ought to have people’s heads exploding if you’re a Republican.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:46

    Right? It is therefore they taking and yet you are about to go and shoot yourself in the foot, which is, I’m sorry, I should come up with a better analogy here. The problem of making the case for Ron DeSantis’ electability. The biggest problem for Ron DeSantis is, okay, so Ron DeSantis somehow, you know, something something something happens gets the nomination. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:07

    There’s some unicorns in there. And then Ron DeSantis has to figure out how to get those Trump voters and Donald Trump not to destroy him. That’s the part where you go Alright. Imagine it’s the Republican convention here in beautiful Bulwark, and Ron DeSantis has just been nominated. Can you picture Ron DeSantis on that podium with his hand raised holding Donald Trump’s hand up?
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:33

    Yes. No. It’s not going to happen. The problem is is that Donald Trump is basically saying you either nominate me and go down the flames, or you don’t nominate me and I will burn you the fuck down. Well,
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:46

    they all deserve that and I’ll get a lot of joy out of that if it was like, we had a little bit more stability on the democratic side. No. Because, you know, we did this already. Alright. So I have PTSD.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:58

    Okay. You know, I PTSD. I don’t a one percent chance of a Donald Trump’s second term is too high. A point one percent chance is too high. And and once you’re the nominee, it’s a lot higher than that, you you know, even if it’s unlikely.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:09

    So it should be ancient. This is I think there was an underlying element move the newsletter. So I was trying to get it. It’s like, why aren’t more people dealing x? And and there’s just this resignation that has said then?
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:20

    They’re just like, okay. Wow. Trump again, I guess. Gilly? That guy?
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:24

    Well,
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:24

    and also, it’s the stories that they tell themselves. So, you know, as you described, you know, Mike Pence was saying, well, I you know, sure that people aren’t will come to their senses, no, the evidence to the contrary. You know, Paul Ryan has been saying, well, no, he’s never gonna become the nominee. It’s just not gonna happen. You know, Chris, a new news, a new news is not NAV.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:40

    So they’ve been telling themselves the story that they don’t have to take a really strong stand because there’s no way that he becomes the nominee. And then, of course, they will switch to telling themselves the story. Well, he’s the nominee. There’s no way he will become president, which again for those of us who still have the PTSD of twenty sixteen. We haven’t heard this before.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:00

    I’ve said it before. And Nikki Haley has already previewed the key Republican strategy, which I think it was Sarah Longwell tweeted out the formula, they’re running against dead Biden alive comma. Right? They’re basically saying, you can’t bully vote for Biden because Biden’s not gonna live through the terms. So you vote for Biden, you get Kamala Harris as the president.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:21

    And this is going to be their target. They’re gonna run against her basically saying that, you know, if Biden gets the second term, he’s not gonna live. There’s gonna be a terrible fall. Something’s gonna happen, and you get hurt. Because she’s a much easier target for them than he is.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:36

    And you know that’s the strategy. And Nikki Haley just said it out loud this week. Didn’t she? Yeah. And I don’t know what they do about that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:43

    We’ll
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:43

    have a lot of time to discuss the strategic imperatives there, but but bumping up com wise, gonna have to be part of the job of the campaign, I think. Over the next few months.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:51

    Well, good luck with that. Well, I hope you have a wonderful weekend, mister Miller. I am
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:56

    gonna have a wonderful weekend.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:58

    I know. I’ve been in Phoenix all week, and it was it was absolutely beautiful there. But, you know, there there’s about six weeks here in Wisconsin where the weather is kind of nice, May as often very, very nice. So enjoy it. When I speak next, it will be May in Wisconsin.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:13

    And then, of course, you and I will both be in New York City in the middle of May, where it should be absolutely gorgeous. People have not yet gotten their tickets for this because we are taking the Bulwark on the road. That is May eighteenth. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:26

    May eighteenth. Yeah. Get a plane. Make a week a weekend out of it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:29

    It will be wonderful, mister Miller. Talk to you next week. CHI. And thank you all for listening to this weekend’s World War podcast. I’m Charlie Sykes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:36

    We will be back on Monday. We will do this all over again. Forward podcast is produced by Katie Cooper, an engineered and edited by Jason Brown.
  • Speaker 4
    0:45:00

    Dissecting politics with exclusive interviews, commentary and humor, useful idiots, with Katie Halper and Aaron Mate.
  • Speaker 9
    0:45:07

    Check out this story that comes via wedding planner, Georgia Mitchell. I’d say that’s a deal breaker. If you were to catch your partner being breastfed by their mother, the thing is she’s here in the second so — Right. — we really — did
  • Speaker 6
    0:45:17

    responsible journalist in you, Erin. It’s just an allegation. Yeah.
  • Speaker 9
    0:45:20

    None of my sources have confirmed this story. Right. So Terrible
  • Speaker 6
    0:45:23

    if true. Definitely a deal
  • Speaker 4
    0:45:25

    breaker. Useful idiots. Wherever you listen.
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