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Will Saletan: Dining with a Nazi

November 28, 2022
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Trump had to know of Nick Fuentes before they sat down to dinner — he regards openly racist and antisemitic trolls as a fundamental part of his base. And now Kevin McCarthy needs allies of Fuentes to be speaker. Will Saletan’s back with Charlie Sykes for Charlie and Will Monday.

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  • Speaker 1
    0:00:08

    Welcome to the World War podcast. I’m Charlie Sykes. It is Monday, and no, I do not wanna talk about the green bay packers. I’m I’m I’m so reluctant to talk about the NFL in any way that I’m almost willing to talk about the World Cup, but almost. So joining me again this Monday, our colleague will sell it in So happy Monday.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:27

    Well Happy Monday, Charlie, and the World Cup is an excellent thing to talk about because in the World Cup, unlike in Green Bay. Zero zero. The the Americans actually still have a chance.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:37

    Yes. They they still have a chance. It’s just I I just can’t invest. Was it ninety minutes or so to to a game that has literally no scoring. I mean, who plays a game that has literally no scoring?
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:50

    Oh, the rest of the world, Charlie. It look Right. It’s a subtle game sitting around and watching a bunch of guys tap a ball back and forth, but, you know, trust me, it’s exciting after a while. Suttle is not the word
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:01

    that I wanted to use. Okay. So since it’s Monday, if you heard this one, Will, and any sunlight and a neo Nazi walk into a ball. I wish this was a joke, but it’s not it’s not a bar. It’s Mar a Lago.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:16

    It is the dinner table of the former and perhaps future president of the United States. I I’m wrestling with okay. This is same old same old because we’ve seen this before. And and also, like, this is a little bit next level when you think about it, what I wrote in my newsletter, the chatty love fest with the holocaust denying neo Nazi. And for people who go, well, okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:38

    So, yeah, do you know what I mean? They’re all they’re all big. They’re all could we just spend them just a moment will letting people know who Nick Fuentes is. Well, I want to put this guy in some context that even the most extreme stereotypes thinks that he’s nuts. I mean, Michael Lindel is sitting around saying that guy is crazy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:57

    There
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:57

    there’s a lot of things we could say about Nick Fuentes. I mean, a lot of people obviously haven’t seen this guy. He’s he’s a fringe character. He goes to rallies. He gives speeches.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:05

    He has podcasts and stuff. And if you don’t pay attention to these right wing crazy circles, you you might not know who he is. Let me tell you as a Jewish person how I I’ve seen a lot of Nick Fuentes. If Kanye West were president of the United States, that would be really, really bad. But I don’t believe he would try to kill the Jews.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:24

    If Nick Fuentes were president of the United States, I would take up arms. That’s that’s where we are with this guy. He would try to kill me and my family. He would try to get kick us out of the country, put us in camps, whatever. That’s that’s who this guy is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:39

    So it’s it’s on a spectrum with other bigots and anti semites, but he’s just that much further out there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:46

    Well, yeah. And he is never going to become president of the United States, but I do think that it’s important. I mean, there is this pattern by which and and for people who are wondering, you know, why we’re spending time talking about this. I mean, there’s so many different aspects. We’ll get to it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:58

    You know, the whole vetting process to get to see the former president, the kinds of people that are allowed in the room. And what’s going on here? You know, Trump says he he had no idea who Fuentes was, by the way, he does. Because if you’re not in MagoWorld, he’s not a household name. I get that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:14

    On the other hand, if you are within that world, he is not an obscure figure. You know, we’re gonna get to him and Marjorie, Taylor Green, etcetera. But it’s also this replay of Trump’s, you know, long standing and very mutually beneficial alliance with the bigots and the conspiracy theorists ranging from David Duke you know, the clansmen to the very fine people of Charlottesville to Q1 on, and to the Proud Boys. What he does is people who haven’t, you know, seen this pattern enough. You know, he denies knowing who they are even is he sort of giving them winking acknowledgement, giving them encouragement, and he’s tacitly acknowledging that he thinks of them, this this openly racist any Semitic troll base as as a fundamental part of his base.
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:56

    And the real problem is, that while all this going on, this hate is spreading. It’s being normalized and it’s being mainstreamed. And for most Republicans, this is now baked in the cake. And so, this has consequences. It doesn’t have to be just if he ever got into power is happening right now.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:16

    So let’s spend a moment listening to the guy that had dinner with the former president of the United States and who The president said, I really like this guy. He gets me. Apparently, this was a mutual admiration society back between the two of them. So who is? Nick Fuentes, and you were talking about, you know, as a Jew, how you responded to him.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:35

    This is not an exaggeration. This is not a hereon fire moment. This is Nick Fuente talking about how violence against Jews goes from zero to sixty in a very short period of time and something that he looks forward to it sounds like. Let’s play the first one.
  • Speaker 3
    0:04:50

    When it comes to the Jews, here’s a silver lining. It tends to go from zero to sixty. Like, they’re not wrong about that. But
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:58

    there’s
  • Speaker 3
    0:04:58

    a reason for that. And the reason is that. Okay. When it comes to the Jews, every society where shit has gone down with these people, it always goes from zero to sixty. And never starts with burning all the towel muds in Paris.
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:15

    Okay? It never starts that way. But
  • Speaker 4
    0:05:19

    frequently, it seems to end that way. And it gets there
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:23

    very rapidly. Doesn’t start there, but it frequently ends there, but I would say that the Jews had better start being nice to people like us. Better. Because what comes out
  • Speaker 4
    0:05:37

    of this is gonna be a lot uglier and a lot worse for them than anything that’s being said on this show or has been said on this Shell.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:46

    Great. This this this guy gets no points for subtleties, joked about the Jews who are killed in concentration camps comparing them to cookies being burned. You know, words like vile, just kind of feel a little empty when you’re describing this guy?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:03

    Yeah. I I mean, I’m recalling as you speak listening to that clip, Dave Chappell talking about There are two words that should never be used together. They are the and Jews. Although, I would remind you that I believe Donald Trump either tweeted or said, the phrase, the blacks, you know. So people who talk this way, the Jews, the blacks, the Mexicans, whatever it is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:25

    There are people who think in categorical terms about you. They don’t think about you as an individual. They’re interested in, you know, a group. Is that group an enemy? Is that group a threat?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:35

    And then they sort of define you as the enemy. And and from that point on, you’re you’re in danger as as Wentes is saying. And it’s really interesting what he said there about, you know, he said it goes from zero to sixty. He’s talking about antisemitism, but he then says the reason is them. The reason is the Jews themselves who cause this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:53

    And that is kind of a core idea of antisemitism when you say the reason why there is racism is the black. The reason why there is antisemitism is the Jews. That’s how you start on the road to the madness and the murder. People
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:06

    also need to understand that, you know, Nick Point is who runs this organization called the America First, whatever it’s called, that that’s had Marjorie Taylor Green come and speak, and and Paul goes are, He’s a big fanboy of of of America first. But he’s got very specific ideas about democracy as well. So it is not just that he is an over white premises to attended the Charlottesville rally in spouse’s racist rhetoric, not just the decent holocaust denying neo Nazi. He is very clearly and again overly, unsubtly, highly anti democratic. You know, we we throw around words like authoritarian Like, what do you mean authoritarian?
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:43

    Well, how about a guy that that explicitly calls for a dictatorship because we cannot trust you know, the evil voters of this evil country. So imagine this guy, I’m gonna play this in that next clip, sitting down with the president and they’re talking about how they’re gonna make America great again. What does Nick Pointe’s really think about America, his fellow Americans, and the kind of government that we should have. Let’s play that clip. You
  • Speaker 4
    0:08:08

    gotta recognize the fact that this is a godless country. I hate it. It’s immoral. It’s wrong. It’s heinous.
  • Speaker 4
    0:08:16

    It’s evil. But this is an evil country. And this country will surprise you with how evil it is. And that’s why you gotta get this out of your head that there is some silent majority cavalry that’s gonna come out of the woods and save us at the last minute. It’s not.
  • Speaker 4
    0:08:32

    When we meet the left on the battlefield and they outnumber us like five to one, That’s it. But the point is when you look at these things like abortion, it’s popular. People like abortion. Hate it. But it’s true.
  • Speaker 4
    0:08:44

    And you can thank the Jewish media for that. Abortions popular, sodomy is popular, you know, being gay is popular, being a feminist, unpopular, sex out of wedlock is popular, contraception, or that’s all popular. That’s all that’s not to say it’s good. That’s not to say I like that. Pop popular means the people support it, which they do.
  • Speaker 4
    0:09:05

    And and it sucks, and it is what it is, but that’s why we need dictatorship. That’s unironically why we need to get rid of all that. We need to take control of the media or take control of the government and force the people to believe we believe, or force them to play by our rules. And reshape the society. So, will a little bit of tension there
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:24

    between the freedom? Don’t tread on me, line of maga of We love America much more than you do. We we are going to be fighting against the America hating left and that a little bit of America is so wild. We need to have a dictatorship that forces people to think like we do. Little contradiction there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:43

    Well, Fuentes is actually a useful window into this way of thinking about the world. He is an anti pluralist. Right? You know, you and I are pluralist. America is what it is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:51

    It’s a it’s a great country because you can people can believe differently as long as we don’t, you know, go around hurting each other. We respect the world law and the constitution. He doesn’t believe any of that. Right? Fuentes is a what I would call a Christian tribalist.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:03

    So he doesn’t understand Christianity as moral. He understands it as my team. And anybody who isn’t a Christian is evil. And so there’s no space for those people. We need a dictatorship of our people who believe like us.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:15

    So Fuentes’ model actually for how to run a government, how to run a country is kind of like Iran, I would say. It just happens that his version is Christian. So we’re gonna suppress, purge the people who don’t believe like It’s also, by the way, Charlie Waihi loves Vladimir Putin. Right? Putin’s a dictator who nominally claims to be Christian, anti gay, whatever, and we’re gonna suppress the people.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:37

    So it all becomes about the dictatorship, and it becomes about undermining pluralism. And of course, as as Fuentes put it in that clip, we’re gonna force you to believe what we believe. That is straight out of the Iranian government. So speaking of Vladimir Putin, just in case people are thinking that we are taking him out
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:53

    of context, this is from the his America first Conference earlier this year. This is from February of this year. This was the event that Marjorie Taylor Green spoke at by the way who’s about to become one of the most influential members of the majority majority party in the House of Representatives. So this is from the America first conference earlier this year. After I believe Russia had just invaded Ukraine and Nick Fuentes leads the crowd enchanting Putin.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:24

    Putin. Putin. Here it is. Can we give a rod of applause for Russia? Absolutely.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:39

    Absolutely. And of course, he compares Putin to Hitler and not in a critical way necessarily. And now they’re going on about Russian Adam or Putin is Hitler, and they
  • Speaker 4
    0:11:49

    say it’s not a good thing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:50

    And they say it’s not a good thing. And This is the same speech where he then introduces one of the rising stars of the Republican Party, Marjorie Taylor Green, for those of you who think he is merely a fringe character. We know what role she’s gonna play in the next Congress. Here’s Nick Fuentes introducing and embracing MTG. We
  • Speaker 4
    0:12:11

    are honored. We are humbled and excited to welcome to the stage right now for our first speech, and we love to get to know our much better. I think this is going to be the beginning of something great. The representative from Georgia, Marjorie Taylor Green.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:29

    So, Will, the big question is, how did he end up at Mar a Lago? And really, it’s not a mystery when you consider all of people that Donald Trump has been letting into the room. Right? I mean, whether it was in in his presidency after his defeat, or since he seems to be a magnet for these crackpots and these cooks, but so much for the vetting process for the most secure facility in the world. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:56

    We can stash top secret nuclear documents because, obviously, this is a super, super mega,
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:03

    mega secure facility. Yeah. Okay. So first of all, if we take Trump’s denial at face value that he knew anything about Fuentes, then it’s a security problem. It’s a vetting problem.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:12

    These are the people who come in. And they come in because they’re the people who love Trump and because they love Trump. Trump loves them and their biggest. That’s why they love Trump. That’s what attracts them.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:22

    But, Charlie, can I just point out that I don’t think we should accept Trump’s denial about knowing something about Fuentes. First of all, I mean, prior to the Fuentes showing up, we can debate what Trump knew about Fuentes, what he should have known. But I just wanted to quote to you from the Axios report on this meeting at Mar a Lago. Which is they their source said that during the meeting, during this dinner, Fuentes told Trump that he’d been banned from get Earth’s right wing social platform because Jason Miller or somebody who worked for Trump was not a fan of his quote, Trump asked whether it was because Fuentes was on the quote fringe of his supporter base. The source said, Fuentes acknowledged that he was saying he’s quote, one of those people who got banned from everything, unquote.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:05

    So that is a conversation — Mhmm. — attributed to Trump and Fuentes by a source that who apparently was inside this. Indicating that during the meeting, Trump knows at this point that Fuentes is a French character. Fuentes has told him so. Trump then issues statements denying that he knows anything about Fuentes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:24

    I think we have to accept at this point that Trump knew during the conversation that Fuentes was a bad guy I mean, Trump himself obviously is a bad guy. But when this is in a different league, and then Trump issues these statements lying. So I don’t think we should accept Trump’s denials. I
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:39

    agree with you. Look, I mean, let me just take one step backwards. The whole front is thing does tend to obscure, you know, something else that’s really really bizarre, which is that he was intentionally going to have dinner with Kanye West? Yes. Who we clearly knew who has clearly been on some, you know, mental breakdown slash anti Semitic rant why the former president would wanna meet with him.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:00

    Leave that aside. But the one thing that’s inarguable in in terms of what he knew and when he
  • Speaker 5
    0:15:06

    knew it,
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:06

    gonna read Hugo Lowell from the Guardian, that Trump has repeatedly refused to disavow the outspoken anti semite and white supremacy is Nick Fuentes after they spoke at dinner rejecting the advice from advisors. The former US president was urged publicly and privately to denounce Fuentes in the aftermath of the dinner, but Trump issued making outright disavowals of Fuentes that people said and none of the statements from the campaign or on his true social account included any criticism of Fuentes. Right. So there’s several things like did he get in, in the first place? What was the conversation like when he realized?
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:41

    Perhaps when when he obviously realized who this guy was? And then afterwards, And again, this is part of this two step, where he knows wink wink wink wink that these are part of his base. These are the loyalist he’s not going to burn them even when, you know, the guys are freaking neo Nazi. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:00

    And can I just come back to what your point about Kanye, which I think is really important. Remember Trump’s defense against having met with Fuentes is, I didn’t know this guy. I just meant to have dinner with Kanye. Right? Kanye — It’s over the past — Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:14

    — just for people who are have not followed all of it. Over the past month. So everybody knows that Kanye said, when I wake up, I’m going deathcon three on the Jewish people, on Jewish people. Right? Is subsequent to that over the oh, in in the week since then, Kanye has been out with more of these statements.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:30

    Here’s just a couple of them. This is from October sixteenth. Jared Kushner is an example of how the Jewish people have their hand on every single business that controls the world. October nineteenth, I’ve been wronged so many times by Jewish businessmen they’re taking money out of my children’s mouths and putting it into their children’s mouths. October twenty fourth, like if Rama Emmanuel is sitting next to Obama or Jared sitting next to Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:55

    There’s a Jewish person right there controlling the country. Okay. These are quotes from Kanye West over the past month. After all of that. After all of that, Trump is literally says, why would I not meet with Kanye?
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:07

    He loves me. So leaving Fuentes aside, Trump’s defense is that he deliberately met with an overt anti semite. So what
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:17

    should we make? And by the way, this seems tedious, Stephen, to ask, what do we make of the overwhelming silence from Republicans? Now there are there are x exceptions. There are notable exceptions, which we will acknowledge. But most of them are basically sitting out.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:32

    I think, you know, Axios says GOP lawmakers hushed on Trump’s dinner. Spoke people for nearly two dozen House and Senate Republicans, including party leaders, co chairs of caucuses and task forces, Focused on Judaism, Randy Semitism, and sponsors of legislation to combat any Semitic hate crimes did not respond to requests or comment. So this is sort
  • Speaker 5
    0:17:53

    of the muscle memory of cowardice that they’ve just built in for the last six, seven years now? It is. And, Charlie, think back a few years to when you made
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:01

    your decision. Right? There there were people when Donald Trump emerged who recognized that Donald Trump was a bad man, a really bad human being. Part of his badness was he was an overt bigot. He literally said a Mexican American judge couldn’t judge him because of the guy’s heritage.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:17

    He literally said all Muslims should be banned from entering the United States. It was all out there. You made a decision. Other people made a decision. He’s bad.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:26

    He’s a bigot. We are going to reject him. Everyone who didn’t make that decision, who tried to hide, ignore, pretend it wasn’t there, cover it up, which is basically the entire leadership of the Republican Party. Ends up deeper and deeper into this muck of Trump and his filth and the people he associates with. If you make the decision early, you don’t end up having to defend this kind of grotesque propaganda and bigotry at
  • Speaker 5
    0:18:52

    the end. You’re right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:52

    I mean, we don’t that’s why it’s baked into the cake at this point because, you know, all of the pro Trump and the anti anti Trump folks in the Republican Party who rationalized voting for him in twenty sixteen or again in twenty twenty or haven’t closed the door to supporting him again in twenty twenty four like Bill Barr, weirdly enough, have all basically decided, okay, we know he does this. We know this is the consequence of this, and we’re gonna go along with
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:18

    it. We will accept this. We will enable this. Right. Can we pause on Chris Christie for a minute?
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:24

    Oh, I I wanna come back to Chris Christie. Go ahead. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:26

    Okay. No.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:27

    Chris Christie to me is the is the paradigm of this. Right? The people who made the wrong decision at the beginning about Trump are people who thought, well, I can deal with what he has said so far. Right? Not not understanding or accepting or facing the fact that when you embrace a bad person, it only gets worse.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:41

    He’s just gonna keep doing more of this. So Let’s start with what Chris Christie says is saying now about about Trump and and about Fuentes. He said is what Christy’s statement is, This is just an example, another example of an awful lack of judgment from Donald Trump. Blah blah blah goes on about this. Chris Christie is more than anyone else the person responsible for Donald Trump winning the nomination for president in twenty sixteen, becoming president, everything that has happened afterward.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:09

    Back in February of twenty sixteen, this is after Trump has made his bigoted statements after he said all Muslims should be banishing the United States. Chris Christie comes out, torpedoes Marco Rubio who had the best shot of taking out Trump and and endorses Donald Trump and just decides I’m gonna go with this guy. It is because of Chris Christie that we ended up for Chris Christie to accuse Donald Trump of a lack of judgment after what Chris Christie himself did is just the height of hypocrisy. Well, interesting enough, I’m looking at a tweet that Trump put
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:40

    out back in February of two thousand sixteen where he’s trying to say that that he that he really did disavow David Duke. So this was after the whole David Duke, a controversy exploded. And guess who is standing behind Donald Trump in this picture at this press conference holding the shine box. It is Chris Christie. He has been through this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:02

    So Chris Christie, who kept his mouth shut and went along with the bromance between David Duke. And Donald Trump now is saying, well, this is just this is completely unacceptable. Look, I’m glad that they’re saying it’s unacceptable. I I don’t wanna, you know, rain on everybody’s break. But there were some people who went out of their way yesterday.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:23

    Very very small number to denounce this. I’m And I’m kind of a little bit surprised, Asa Hutchinson, who is the outgoing governor of Arkansas, a long time. He was a congressman. Right? He was a congressman, and he was the governor of Arkansas.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:35

    Yep. Very forceful I thought in his response, let’s play it, and I’m gonna get your reaction on the other side. I mean, you can have
  • Speaker 6
    0:21:42

    accidental meetings, things like that happen. This was not an the whole meeting. It was a set up dinner with Kanye. And so this happened, but you certainly have every occasion that the question of white supremacy or neo Naziism or denying the Holocaust comes up you’ve got to be absolutely clear in your communication that this is not acceptable. Dogma is not acceptable.
  • Speaker 6
    0:22:10

    Conversation. It’s not acceptable history, and you’d have to disavow it. It is as simple as that. And I’m very proud of the Republican Jewish Coalition, the former ambassador US ambassador in the Trump administration to Israel has condemned this. And so what Donald Trump did and his failure to condemn it is really the minority of the party.
  • Speaker 6
    0:22:34

    It’s the extreme side of it. And that’s what you’ve got to distance yourself from, and and he failed to do that. You watched a lot
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:41

    more of the Sunday morning shows than I did, but that was that seemed like the the clearest denunciation of Trump by Republican? Right. In fact, the only
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:50

    one who I saw who made a very clear moral denunciation. I mean, what Hutchinson says there, remember when Republicans used to talk about culture, you know, and we have to we have to protect the culture, we have to send clear cultural messages. That’s what’s going on here. Somehow Republicans have failed to understand that racism, that anti Semitism, that bigotry. These are cultural problems.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:14

    It isn’t just like abortion. It isn’t just about, you know, sexual deviance or whatever other issue you wanna drag into
  • Speaker 5
    0:23:21

    it. Racism,
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:22

    bigotry, prejudice. These are cultural issues. And Hutchinson’s exactly right. You have to say, what’s acceptable? You have to be clear, if you are silent, then the society becomes more deviant.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:34

    And we’re not talking up here about people who wear strange clothing. We’re talking about people who threaten others because of their inherent characteristics or because of their religious beliefs. Okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:43

    What I find really difficult is this is easy. This is not hard to be a Republican, you would think. And to say, okay, we denounced Holocaust denying neo Nazis. Okay? We do not want to associate with that person.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:00

    This is the lowest of the lowest hanging fruit. So it’s a measure of how far this party has become that this is considered too difficult because if it’s Donald Trump and we criticize Donald Trump’s overt flotation with neo Nazis, then we might get a mean tweet or a mean social media post, and we’re so frightened by that. By the way, can I get off topic for a second or second? Alright. Go ahead.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:23

    Until this morning. I’m watching TV reports about the incredible courage of these Chinese protesters just opposed to what’s going on in Iran. Just opposed to what’s going on with Ukraine. Real genuine courage, putting lives and futures on the line. And then contrast that with the absolute cowardice of the Republican establishment that is actually afraid of a truth social tweet from Mar a Lago.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:54

    I mean, it’s just like we live in a world where split screen, we have this amazing courage, willingness to stand up for principal to fight for your country, and then you have Republicans in congress were all, like,
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:08

    you know, looking for the back of the closet, looking for the tall weeds — Yeah. — all the time. Yeah. So it’s cowardice. But but, you know, in addition to that, Charlie, it’s also political practicality.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:19

    I mean, one of the pictures that I saw when I was reading about Fuentes this weekend is There’s a picture of him. I think it’s at an America first conference, one of his things. Anyway, he’s standing there. He’s got Paul Gosar next to him. He’s got Steve King next to him, the former congressman.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:31

    As you pointed out, Marjorie Taylor Green was out of one of these Fuentes things. These Republican congresspeople and former congresspeople who are literally present with Nick Fuentes and his antisemitic filth and his bigoted filth. These people are now a core element of the Republican Party. If Kevin McCarthy doesn’t have the vote of March retailer Green, of Paul Gossar, he’s screwed. He’s operating with a majority that is absolutely dependent on people who are this close to Nick Fuentes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:04

    Now among the people
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:05

    who are obviously pretty upset about this, Ben Shapiro from The Daily Wire who’s going through some interesting things here because, you know, he had gone all in onaga. He hired Candice Owens, who’s a big buddy of Kanye West. And and and remember he he justified his support for Trump’s reelection by saying, you know, whatever bad things he’s done. He’s already done them. Like, he can’t get any worse than this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:30

    Right? So so now I was like, whoa. Okay. Maybe you shouldn’t be having dinners with any semites, you know, in neo Nazis, and Po Pad has the tweet of the day. Po Pad who’s did we just grab a prominent commentator.
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    0:26:42

    He’s quoting Benchape. Benchape. So I moved to Biggett’s bill and bought a house on Biggett Drive. Enjoyed the local bigot association and the society for advancement of bigots and put out a long jockey. And now I have to ask, Where did all these bigots come from?
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:58

    It’s weird. It’s yes. Exactly. It is weird. So we we played Asa Hutchinson.
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    0:27:05

    More typical was a congressman, is it James Comer? Yep. I’ll run these names at some point. He’s the incoming chairman of the House Oversight Committee, and he and he’s asked about this and listen to how he answers this. Do
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    0:27:18

    you think it was a mistake for the former president to do that?
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    0:27:22

    Well, he certainly needs better judgment. And who he dines with. I know that he’s issued a statement and said he didn’t know who those people were. But at any rate, you know, my focus is gonna be on investigating the current administration as the next chairman of the House Oversight Committee in trying to get a handle on the massive amounts
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:41

    of waste fraud and abuse in our federal government. So basically, he instantly pivots from, yeah, I’m not gonna be interested in in, you know, the the sort of that. I don’t wanna talk about this. I wanna talk about the investigations that we’re gonna do. I don’t, you know, Hundred Biden’s laptop and, you know, wasted money in all of this,
  • Speaker 5
    0:27:56

    much more typical of where the Republican Party is is going right now. Yeah. I mean, in that, that’s a short clip from Comer but in that, he conveys a couple
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    0:28:05

    of things that are highly significant. One is, he says it’s a matter of judgment. Which is a way of saying, it’s not a moral issue to him. It’s just not a moral issue to these Republicans. The bigotry, the prejudice, the racism, the anti Semitism, not a moral issue.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:19

    The other thing is, he says that’s not my focus. Charlie, as you’re pointing out, like, if you say my focus is gonna be elsewhere, you’re telling the public, The Republican Party is not going to care about this issue. If you want someone to care about protecting minorities from people like Nick Fuentes, from people like Kanye
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    0:28:37

    West, you’re gonna need to
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    0:28:38

    elect a different party. That is a very politically stupid and morally reprehensible position.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:46

    So where are we at in the Kevin McCarthy speaker watch? Matt Gates keeps putting out statements that he doesn’t have the votes. Why do people not understand? We are not gonna vote for him. He’s not gonna get two hundred and eighteen votes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:01

    So do you take that at face value? Or Republicans in denial about how bad their division is? I mean, you know, being speakers a shitty job to begin with. I mean, it’s kind of, you know, the herding cats job. In this particular case, it’s herding rats.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:16

    Is he gonna get to two eighteen?
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:18

    I don’t know if he’s gonna get to two eighteen. I mean, the the McCarthy position and the position of Kevin McCarthy supporters is nobody else can get to two eighteen. Right? It’s like that joke Charlie about the two guys, the the bear is gonna chase them. And the second guy said, I don’t have to outrun the bear.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:32

    I just have to outrun you. That’s kinda where Kevin McCarthy is. Right? He no one else can get to do eighteen. Therefore, it will fall to him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:39

    And Charlie, it may work to get him the speakership But if you become speaker of the house, only because nobody else could get the votes, not because you actually have two hundred and eighteen people who really support you, that puts you in a terrible position for as long as your speakership holds. Right? It’s going to make him a very weak speaker and it’s going to make the people we just talked about the gates and the golar and the greens, it’s gonna give them power over the speakership and therefore over the congress. Yeah. It’s gonna be a
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:06

    shitty job if in fact he he gets it. So, you know, among the other things, you know, trying to catch up with the weekend. I realized when I was putting my newsletter together, there’s a certain link that, like, you know, it says, you know, post too long for newsletter for email. So I have to leave it out. And there and there’s just so much, including what is going on with Elon Musk.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:25

    Who has now, you know, announced that because of an online poll that he did of the Paul Gosars and Nick Wendy’s of the world. He’s going to restore all of the suspended Twitter accounts what could possibly go wrong there. Apparently, endorsing Miranda Santa over Trump. We’ll see how that all plays out and lashes out at all things Alexander Vindman did you follow that? Alexander Vindman, you know, the the the patriot whistleblower who raised his voice when the former president was trying to blackmail Ukraine.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:59

    And Elon Musk is tweeting out, well, who’s the puppet? Who’s the puppet master? Is it Alexander Vindman? What the fuck is this
  • Speaker 5
    0:31:06

    about? Well, I
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:07

    don’t really know what Elon Musk meant by this, but I know what other people who have talked this way mean by it. Right? When they talk about Vindman as a puppet, there’s this whole view of of Vindman and the Ukraine saga that goes back to the CI. The idea is that Vindman was part of a deep state. It’s part of the intelligence community, the CIA, they were all out to get Trump, so they exposed this phone call with this
  • Speaker 5
    0:31:30

    yada yada. If
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:31

    Elon Musk is in this mentality of the secret deep state, which consists of patriots, by the way, of people who work in US intelligence and have for decades, and people who in Vindman’s case literally laid down their lives, risk their lives. For the United States, then that speaks to a certain illness in Elon Musk that makes his control of Twitter as a social media platform even more dangerous. So
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:53

    the other big story of the day, and I I’m not gonna make any predictions on this because I’m not an expert in all of this with these ongoing protests in China that are appear to be at I I don’t know whether we can compare them to what happened in Tiananmen Square, but looking at the the drudge reporter, the China COVID revolution, the biggest protests in Tiananmen, calls for Xi to resign. We want freedom, defiance. And apparently, Twitter is flooded with Chinese inspired garbage a suppressed reporting on what’s going on there. So I am inspired by watching what the Chinese people are doing, but I don’t know what the mechanism is for them to make any changes. And I’ve lived through too many of the, you know, the irrational exuberance well, this is going to, you know, change history and this is going to pull down this authoritarian regime when it hasn’t.
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:45

    So what is your sense about? Where we’re at in China.
  • Speaker 5
    0:32:48

    And if you wanna throw in Iran as well, the other authoritarian state really under siege at the moment. Alright. I agree with you. I’m skeptical that anybody can overthrow or
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:56

    regime that’s as well entrenched as as China’s is. But there are a couple of unusual factors here. One is that the China is as accustomed to growth if the government clamps down on activities such that the economy is contracting people are in serious economic straits. That is a threat that the Chinese regime is not necessarily prepared for. The other thing is the degree of constraint here of people are being having to stay in their homes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:21

    The zero COVID in China is like, when when right wingers in America talk about Tony Fauci locking people up, that’s bullshit. But But that really, you know, that kind of stuff is happening in China. And so the extremity of the repression and the extremity of the possible economic consequences are great enough that we may be in uncharted territory there. No, I mean,
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:42

    to underline that point, to compare what they did to what we did is just ridiculous because in China, zero COVID means if you test positive, they don’t just tell you to stay home and sleep at all. They come and they pick you up in your family and they take you to a quarantine center and you have to stay there. I mean, think about that. Think about the implications of that. The reason I think the Chinese communists have been quote unquote successful so far is because they have delivered something on the in the area of nine percent annual growth.
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:12

    If that drops down to two or three percent, then that whole promise of that deal, that bargain that they’ve made breaks down. Right? And so there is a certain vulnerability. It really does come back to the economy. Iran’s a little bit more complicated because they can’t fall back on, you know, promises of prosperity.
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:32

    But I don’t know how that plays out. Well, there’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:35

    a little bit more of a history of freedom in Iran, not for everybody, but there’s the pre Ayatollah’s regime. There was some institutional memory of that, if not if not been the lifetimes of of of present Iranian. So that’s another factor that makes Iran a little bit more unstable. Charlie, I’m a little bit fascinated by the methods that China is resorting to to
  • Speaker 5
    0:34:56

    try to control control this. One
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:57

    is, I think people have pointed out that, so if you’re in China, right, you’re being told we have to we have this crisis, we have to clamp down, nobody can go out
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:06

    or very
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:06

    extreme anti COVID measures. Meanwhile, if you’re watching the World Cup, there’s all these people without masks. Right? And so, China’s having to censor images of the people in the stands is so weird. Who are not wearing masks?
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:18

    And the other thing is, China’s pumping out. This is totally fascinating to me. How do you control information in the information age? Well, if you go out and search for the names of Chinese cities, you know, Shanghai or whatever, what’s popping up in Internet searches and on Twitter is spam. The Chinese are pumping out porn spam.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:39

    So they’re just they found this other thing, and we’re gonna just gonna flood you with escort services and sex ads and stuff like that. And so that has become a censorship method in the modern age. I just think that’s kind of fascinating. I don’t know if it’s a harbinger of the future. The other issue that I wanted to talk with
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:54

    you about, and I know that you’ve been following it a lot more closely than I have, there was a discussion on the Sunday Morning Show’s just day about what’s going on at the border. And every time you and I bring this up, we get a lot of blowback from people saying, you know, you’re not being fair to the Biden administration. Things aren’t really that bad. I have to tell you that as a casual observer, it looks bad. What’s happening at the border?
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:18

    And I’m not sure what the administration’s plan to solve it is. In particular, Will, I was thinking about Jay Johnson who is Obama, as secretary of homeland security, got some rather brilliant things to say yesterday. This is Jay Johnson from yesterday morning. I
  • Speaker 8
    0:36:35

    have to be honest about the asylum laws and the processing. It takes six years right now to process an asylum claim. Once someone has entered this country, And one of the problems is that the bar to qualify initially and establish a case of credible fear is relatively low, something like seventy percent of migrants qualify who seek it, and the ultimate qualification for asylum percentage there is only about twenty percent. It’s six years in between. Migrants know this.
  • Speaker 8
    0:37:07

    And so we’ve got to develop a system where we can more expeditiously deal with these claims, but also take a look at the credible fear standard itself. I know my friends on the left be too happy to
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:19

    hear that. No politicians gonna take that. No. That’s the estimates
  • Speaker 8
    0:37:21

    of phenomena. Well, it can be done possibly through regulation. And I think it’s something that ought to be looked at. So, Will, your
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:29

    take on that. Well, Charlie, several weeks ago,
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:31

    when you and I were talking about this issue of the border, and we talked about the fact that we’re just our our systems overwhelm too many migrants coming in. The numbers are astronomical, and how are we going to deal with it? And you asked me, what what would you do about it? And I’ve been thinking about that ever since you asked this question, and I did not have an answer. And I am so grateful to hear this from Jay Johnson because it he exactly nails what the problem is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:56

    We have, and as he says, Liberals don’t wanna hear this, but we have a standard for letting people stay in this country for six years while they’re waiting for their claims to be adjudicated. That is too low. We are letting too many people into this country claiming asylum, but they do not have a legit claim, as he says, only twenty percent end up being valid. So we need to, as he says, we’re gonna need to limit that we’re gonna need to tighten that standard. Liberals do not want to hear that, but clearly we do it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:23

    We cannot logistically handle the number of people who are coming here who do not have a valid claim. And we’re gonna have to we’re gonna have to do what a lot of conservatives have said, which is we’re gonna have to make it more difficult for people to enter this country without a demonstrably valid claim for asylum. Well, also, I think you need
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:42

    to
  • Speaker 5
    0:38:45

    you
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:45

    need to restore a little bit of credibility to the system, you know, that you have a catch and release system where people come across and then are released on parole and can be no disappear into the country for years, whatever the adjudication of their case might be. I mean, that doesn’t pass a common sense test. Right. And I think that’s one of the reason people look at that and go, okay, that doesn’t sound like we’re serious about controlling the border. Right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:10

    And I think Jay Johnson is actually
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:12

    he’s right that The migrants understand this. Everyone has gotten the message that you can get into the United States, you come in, you claim asylum, and you can be here for a long time. And the system for finding you later for your hearing is not great. But, you know, in addition, you’ve already been able to put down roots here. You had you’ve been able to make money here.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:30

    We have to send a signal out to the rest of the world. It’s not gonna be that easy. You’re gonna have to prove that you have a legit claim.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:39

    So, Will, obviously, we are still in an election season. I think if everybody was hoping we’d be done by the end of November, we have the The runoff election in Georgia, latest poll that I saw, has worn out up by four points, which is still ridiculously close considering who Hershel Walker is. But that race is that race has turned
  • Speaker 5
    0:40:01

    pretty nasty and pretty negative. So what are you seeing there? Well, Walker is trying to fight back. He doesn’t have Brian Kemp on the ticket this time to to help
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:07

    him out. And so he’s he’s going and one of the grossest things that I saw, Charlie, was Ursula Walker’s new. I don’t know if you’ve seen this, the the a new ad about trans the transgender swimmer. And you and I have talked about the transgender swimmer and whether you Yeah. So but this this is the literally I think the day after the shooting in Colorado at the gay night club, literally the next day, I believe.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:34

    Walker puts this ad on the air. It’s him. And a female swimmer who was in the pool with the transgender swimmer. You know? And she’s complaining that it’s unfair.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:44

    And Look, it is unfair. I agree to have people who are born male competing with people who are born female. It’s just a biological advantage that they have. But as a percentage of, like, the world’s eels, it’s so minuscule. And as a percentage of transgender issues, you just had five people killed.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:03

    By an anti trans, anti gay hate crime. Right? And instead, you’re talking about somebody who got tied for fifth place in a swimming competition because there was a transgender swimmer. The proportions are just completely out of whack. Obviously,
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:19

    that’s not one of those ads that’s designed to persuade anyone that’s on the fence that if you’re really upset about that, you already know who you’re going to vote for. You know, I I think this is, again, an indication of the way these issues just loom so large within Mago world. I was actually talking with some of the other day about, you know, what are the main issues driving, you know, Republicans at the moment and say rural areas? And he said it’s these gender issues. But I don’t know that that solves the problems that Republicans have in in terms of the suburban vote.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:52

    Or whether or not someone’s gonna vote on that issue as opposed to any other serious issue involving, you know, the public. And I guess that this is what’s you know, I’m sort of going back to to James Comer thing and, you know, the incoming Republican congress. The fact that that they’re really not even going through the motions of talk talking about serious legislation or things that would actually solve problems that Americans have or that would have any relationship to the daily life of Americans. I mean, maybe we’re living in a world that it’s all entertainment. It’s all social media.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:28

    But it seems completely disconnected with the way most people live their lives. Yeah, I agree with you. I agree
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:33

    with all of what you just said and can I suggest more constructive direction for the House Republicans because one of the other things that James Comer said in his interview this weekend was He said, we when we Republicans take over he’s gonna he wants to take over the oversight committee B chairman. He said, we believe there have been hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars wasted over the past three years spanning two administrations, not just Biden, but Trump, in the name of COVID. He said they want they want to look at fraudulent unemployment insurance funds, fraudulent PPP loans, money that was spent by local state governments as COVID stimulus and what the waste that was involved. Charlie, that would be great. That would be a highly constructive use.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:16

    Totally, this is why god made Republicans to investigate this kind of fraud and waste. I hope they do it. I hope that’s where they spend their time. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:25

    I think we can divide some of these oversight investigations into two buckets. Number one, the ones that are completely legitimate like the ones you just mentioned. I think it’s completely legitimate to have hearings about the withdrawal from Afghanistan. And I think the administration has an obligation to cooperate. On the other hand, if we’re going to spend the next eighteen months wallowing in Hunter Biden’s laptop, I mean, really I mean, how many times we have to point out that, you know, he’s a private citizen.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:50

    And and and look, I mean, if they have hard evidence tying Biden to it, maybe that’s a different story. But so far, we haven’t seen any of that. You know, we’ve gone through this entire discussion without talking about Jack Smith, without talking about another one of the unhinged meltdowns from Mar a Lago. For people who think that the footment of Jack Smith was somehow a break for Donald Trump because it will slow things down. That’s certainly not the way it’s playing down at Mar a Lago.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:17

    Is it? I mean, it’s just throwing everything up against the wall. And I suppose the strategy is, you know, I will try to discredit this guy. I will try to intimidate this guy. I don’t know about you.
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:28

    Well, it’s just there’s something about the playbook. It just feels so old and tired and boring these days. Do you know what I’m saying? I just it it it doesn’t have the
  • Speaker 5
    0:44:39

    same pizzas that it
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:41

    doesn’t have. Yeah. We’ve we’ve gotten used
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:43

    to Trump attacking anyone who investigates him. Right? But but I have to say, going after a special council is one of the best insulated people in the world is Jack Smith. And so this is not somebody that, you know, the House Republicans will be able to get rid of. He’s gonna do his investigation.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:00

    Donald Trump is a whole lot better off ceasing to lie and obstruct. If Trump wants to get the best of Jack Smith, Trump better start complying with the law. That was be a much better strategy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:11

    Yeah. I think it’s a little bit late for that. I I just
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:13

    think it
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:14

    is a little bit late for that. So we’ll have a chance to talk about what’s gonna happen with primary is the answer is right now that nobody knows. But it is interesting how and I he coming back to this that that Donald Trump announces he’s running, and none of the things he was hoping would happen have happened. He has not been the recipient of this massive flood of endorsements, and he did not clear the field. I mean, these guys are still there.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:44

    Even Nikki Haley is still in the race effectively. So there’s a piece over the weekend in political. They talked about how this just the excitement’s not there anymore. There’s not that enthusiasm. He’s got all kinds of momentum going for himself.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:58

    Now, again, we’ve seen this before in the sense that the base is different than the elites in the media report. But I think it’s an objective fact that that rollout did not accomplish what Donald Trump thought it was gonna accomplish. Yeah. Let me just throw in
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:12

    a theory about why that is. It is that the midterms are over. And they the Republicans successfully talked Trump into delaying his announcement until after the midterms. That helped them in the midterms, but it also took away his leverage because they wanted him to get his people out to the polls. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:29

    He did that to whatever extent he was gonna do it, and that’s over So Trump is basically a hostage taker, and he’s lost his hostage. Yeah. And they’re they’re all looking at they’re all looking at him, like, what are you gonna do about it? You now now you need us we we don’t we don’t have to help you. And, Charlie, you know that I have been following Lindsey Graham, who is one of my favorite weather veins.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:49

    And Lindsey Graham, who has been saying for two years, Donald Trump is the man, get out of his way, Ron DeSantis, has started to say lately you know, Trump’s gonna announce and he’s gonna have the feel to himself for a while, and we’ll see how he does. And that is another sort of sign in the wind of that maybe Donald Trump no longer has the the the power to intimidate others out of the race and the power to keep everyone in line the way he used to. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:13

    And again, this may be premature, but also I’m getting the same kind of vibe out of what what’s going on in Arizona, where Kerry Lake is going back to the election denial playbook, and Donald Trump is tweeting out or not tweeting out, whatever they call it, the true social statements, you know, talking about problems with the voting machines. But also, that just doesn’t feel like it has the same energy. In fact, there’s kind of an eye rolling quality to it that other Republicans have just kind of moved on. And considering that this is the heart and soul of Trumpism, that’s not a good omen for him. But again, we have a long way to go.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:44

    And right now, Donald Trump still has the base behind him. He still has much of the conservative media, although not Fox News behind him. That’s another big story. And his major asset, which would be a fractured field. Look, there’s no way around it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:00

    The more candidates, the run, the better it is for Trump, or do you disagree with that? No. I agree
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:04

    with that. That’s the one way he could he could get the nomination, although not the general election. But I thoroughly agree with what you said about the loss of Pazaz. You and I have talked about sort of fatigue eventually overcoming all things, including a lot of bad things. And I agree people are just tired of this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:20

    They’re tired of Trump and his his whining about the twenty twenty election. Carrie Lake complains that there’s a election line. Everybody’s like, yeah. Right. And, Charlie, this is reminding me back in the beginning of the Trump administration.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:30

    There was a hearing, and I think I may have talked about this before. Eastern Europeans, Putin had been, like, in Eastern Europe spreading all sorts of propaganda. And what happened is over time, the Eastern Europeans got used to the Russian propaganda. They were, like, oh, yeah. That’s more Russian propaganda.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:46

    Charlie, I think that’s what’s happening here. People are like, yeah, more of Trump’s bias, more of Trump’s propaganda. Yeah, more election denial. And they’re just brushing it off. They’re not taking it seriously anymore.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:56

    Well, okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:57

    I I probably should have seen this earlier, but this is a post that Donald Trump put out that is, the time stamp says it was at two thirty AM. We’ll think about that. Assuming that you didn’t schedule it or anything, that he put this out at two thirty AM. Statement by Donald j Trump. Massive numbers of broken voting machines in Republican districts on election day, mechanics sent in to fix them and the word fixes and quotation marks and all caps made them worse.
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:24

    Kerry, Kerry Lake. Kerry had to be taken to a demo crack area, which was working perfectly to vote. Her opponent ran the election. This is yet another criminal voting op operation. So obvious, the word so obvious, all in caps.
  • Speaker 1
    0:49:38

    And how about this? At two thirty AM. Carry Lake should be installed governor of Arizona. This is almost as bad as the twenty twenty presidential election, which the unselect committee refuses to touch blah blah blah. So here you have Donald Trump sitting down there in Mar a Lago at two thirty AM, saying that Carrie Lake should be installed as governor of Arizona.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:00

    I’m sorry, outside of the really fatted reaches of the fever slump. Is it even Republicans taking that seriously anymore? Or is that like, man, this is just we are we are late stage fat elvis here. I hope
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:12

    they’re not taking it seriously. I don’t hear them taking it seriously, but man, is that a fascinating comment? That word installed? And folks, this is where you end up if you claim as Trump does, as Carrie Lake does, that all the election are corrupt. You can’t believe any of the election results.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:28

    What is the alternative to elections? It is installing the people that you claim one even though you don’t have the evidence for it. And that’s pretty much what Nick Fuentes is talking about a dictatorship. Right? So the alternative to elections to trusting elections, to fixing elections is not believing in elections period and ending up with the idea of we know who should have won and we’re gonna install that person.
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:54

    Thank God Donald Trump failed to do that when he attempted his coup, in early twenty twenty one, and I don’t wanna see Cherry Lake or anybody else doing it either. Another day to remind are
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:03

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    0:51:08

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    listen.
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