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Hey, everybody, welcome to The Bulwark. I'm Tim, and I'm here with the vice chairman of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Senator Mark Warner of Virginia. He was the Democratic point man yesterday on the hearing with Tulsi Gabbard and John Ratcliffe and Cash Patel that ended up focusing a lot on the signal text chain
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heard around to the world. How are you doing, Senator?
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Well, Tim, it's been a wild 24 hours. So and again, just at the outset, I thought these guys couldn't shock me anymore. But this last incident, it's like, oh, my gosh, as an intel guy, my head's exploding.

Sen. Mark Warner joins Tim Miller to break down the Signal chat scandal, national security concerns, and troubling reports of legal refugees being deported without due process.

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Patricia Messier Adams's avatar

Heard on “Pivot:” Whisky Leaks!

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Jane Horwitz's avatar

Let’s not call them the “DOGE Bros” or the Musk-rats.

Let’s call them the MUSK-ovites.

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Beth's avatar

WTF Warner says certainly should be taken out of the country... they should be deported, sure but is he ok with sending them to a 3rd country?

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Erica Paul's avatar

Tim we have to get our people out out of El Salvador asap. Not fair to be in Hell.

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Erica Paul's avatar

Pete needs to resign.

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Erica Paul's avatar

Gabbi lies with anger and hate

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KELTIK_WARRIOR (VINCE T 🦁 )'s avatar

I want to vomit. The enemy within: Hegseth, Gabbard, Ratcliffe & Patel. Trump flips the bird to the Constitution, our Intel community, the nation and our Military. He is careless because he does not give a damn.

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Laura Shear's avatar

Such a great point. He must have cut and pasted from another doc. How is it classified?

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Francha Davis's avatar

That was a gobbledygook answer from Warner about due process for immigrants. It sounded like a lot of words to say they are going to do nothing. People are being kidnapped off the streets, handcuffed, head shaved and shoved an slapped on to a plane without any way to defend themselves. "My Republican friends will find their voice?" No, they won't. Dem legislators are going to need to be much louder about this.

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Wonders Why's avatar

Maybe it would help explain this travesty if their salaries and requisite perks were published. I'll be mad if my social security checks are disappeared, and madder when I see that my annual is 1% of their annual.

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Audrey Liebross's avatar

I suspect that, when the turkeys involved in the Signal chat claim that nothing was “classified,” they mean that nothing was classified YET. It obviously was not MARKED classified. They’re using a loophole in that, when oral material is generated, it can’t be marked “classified” until someone classifies it. But this is exactly the kind of information that should be marked “classified” when the written records are are prepared.

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Amy's avatar

Is there any way to get the people back from El Salvador, or are they just gone forever?

I guess there are a lot of tones of voice you might be imagining me saying that in, but I'm horrified; terrified for them; and so so sad.

I appreciate that you keep bringing it up Tim.

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Deirdre Browner's avatar

even for casual conversation this is amazingly unprofessional conduct. Our local government secures all devices. Nothing gets loaded without being reviewed to ensure that it won't compromise the broader network. We communicate differently on email than text, but never, ever would anyone that I know communicate in such a cavalier fashion. I am disgusted by the incompetence of these people. And embarrassed for our country

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Lalla Ward's avatar

The sharing of intel by the US allies was already in question when Tulsi Gabbard was appointed, as I understand it; this must surely massively compound that.

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Kristin Powers (Chin)'s avatar

His responses are why we are alarmed. It's as if he's not alarmed that legal US citizens have been denied basic civil rights AND that our safety is in jeopardy, not to mention our Allies trust in us.

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Mark I's avatar

Great interview. So informative to hear from one in the Senators in the room. No emojis on government issued devices!!

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Denise Wallace's avatar

Thank you for always bringing up the people in El Salvador. It is heartbreaking and we need to get them back.

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Ach's avatar
Mar 27Edited

Trying, desperately, to keep perspective here. It goes without saying that Hegseth shouldn’t be trusted to tend a bar, let alone the DOD, and the whole group is a clown car of the highest order: If the mission itself was successful, is it reasonable to expect Hegseth to resign or be fired when Lloyd Austin kept his job after the disastrous Afghan withdrawal that resulted in loss of life of American servicepeople?

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Jessica's avatar

Warner should be outraged. Is this outrage for him? The eloquent and informed Dems such as Warner are getting steamrolled by the lying arrogant MAGA cretins. Get ANGRY, folks. This is reckless, dangerous, stupidity from the most powerful people in the world. It is "safe to say a lot of my colleagues are aghast" he says - not really the powerful message or reassurance I am looking for...

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Jennifer Frericks's avatar

every single Democrat, every single day needs to say that Waltz Hegseth and Gabbard need to resign. No further investigation is needed to know this.

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TheresaB's avatar

Tim, you gave it a good try but what I'm hearing from the Senator is that nothing will actually be done re: lack of due process in deporting people to a jail in another country.

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Terence Rafferty's avatar

Warner = warmed over milque toast. We need new opposition leaders to oppose Trump and his MAGA minions.

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Bmore's avatar

Very wishy washy on should we be sending people to a foreign hellhole with no due process with no end ever, how long are they going to be there?

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Andrew Halpern, D.O.'s avatar

Tim, please have a colleague ask President Trump how we can get live streaming, texting of ALL cabinet communications…since this was “unclassified”, etc..

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Sonja Letourneau's avatar

If anyone actually gets fired or resigns I'll be ASTOUNDED.

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Claudia's avatar

Another reason Hegseth should resign: at least 3 or 4 U.S. soldiers just went missing somewhere between Lithuania and Belarus: https://youtu.be/UJIEevQMMyQ?si=pRGXHqc4EOBGtVeq

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Jessica's avatar

Folks - check Signal for answers...good news is that my initials look like JD Vance's so I will let you know what i find out when they add me by accident...

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LCJ's avatar

Yea this concerning…

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Memo-55's avatar

Warner's not wrong- of course Heggie should resign. Along with Waltz. But this is going to happen about as fast as the next ice age, in an ever hotter climate. No one in TrumpLandia pays much for incompetence. The only sin that exiles someone is insufficient groveling loyalty to herr Trump.

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Geoffrey Gioja's avatar

(Tim: El, not San when it comes to Salvadors!) 😉🖖🏽

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Sharon Kornely's avatar

I can’t understand the transactional attitude towards allies. Most of America’s ancestors came from Allied nations

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Jen's avatar

Honestly, he feels like another Schumer believing his friends across the aisle will do the right thing at some point. Offers no solutions beyond elections. No imagination, no fire.

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Pauline Francis's avatar

Sounds like some on the chat were performing for the audience of one? Is it possible that Trump was on the call? Or, that Wiles was understood to be a Trump proxy?

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Pauline Francis's avatar

What about Marco Rubio, Secretary of State? Has he said anything? Shouldn't he have known that this wasn't safe to do?

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Pauline Francis's avatar

Keep it coming Tim! Thank you.

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Beatriceregina's avatar

It just seems like the cabinet staff is not serious about their job, like they’re playing go to the office, playing going to work. Totally inept and immature people. Not adults with any critical thinking skills.

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Gregg Park's avatar

That’s my take, too. The Trump administration consists of children who’ve been riding in the backseat, loudly criticizing mom and dad’s driving skills. Now that they have the keys they are finding out their feet can’t reach the pedals and they can’t see over the dashboard.

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Rebecca Martin's avatar

Love it. Stealing!

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I can’t get it to play!

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SPEAKER 1
Well, Tim, it's been a wild 24 hours. So and again, just at the outset, I thought these guys couldn't shock me anymore. But this last incident, it's like, oh, my gosh, as an intel guy, my head's exploding.