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MAGA Loses Their Minds Over Taylor Swift

January 31, 2024
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Biden is still down in the polls, but is it still too soon to take them seriously? Sarah has thoughts on which of the swing states Biden has to win, and she disagrees with JVL’s thoughts on Nikki Haley finally going after Trump. Plus, the Trump endorsements are really starting to get to Tim, and MAGA rages against Taylor Swift for being a successful, popular liberal.

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  • Speaker 1
    0:00:05

    Hello, everyone. Welcome to the level. I’m J VL here with my best friends, Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:13

    So
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:14

    Guys, great news. Morning Consult pull out today. I have wing states showing North Sarah Longwell, Trump plus ten, Nevada, Trump plus eight, Georgia, Trump plus eight, Wisconsin, trump plus five, Michigan, Trump plus five. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you. Sarah, would you like to go first?
  • Speaker 3
    0:00:35

    I’ll give you the my optimistic pitch on these numbers, which is the first is I don’t really believe them. I think a fifteen point swing among voters in Michigan in from the last election there where, Gretchen Whitmer, the Democrat won by ten points over a trump y alternative. So I’m just, like, a little skeptical on this front. And also morning consult has always been a a particularly trump friendly kind of outlet a polling outfit, which does not mean that they are pro trump just that maybe they oversample on the trump side. So I’m not gonna, you know, lose my stuff about it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:12

    I will say the other thing, if you look at the states, and this is gonna be true, and as we get into the, more into the general election, I’m sure I’ll talk about this a lot. So they have six weak states. In the mix. Maybe seven, actually, because they include North Carolina, which I would say North Carolina should not be considered a swing state.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:28

    They don’t have Arizona in it. Right. Arizona is in it. Oh, is Arizona in that poll too? I missed it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:35

    But the Arizona, Michigan Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. K? I think that Georgia and Nevada are gonna be tougher states this time around.
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:48

    You haven’t exactly right. The order.
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:49

    Okay. And so the four states The
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:51

    margin order, just to be clear. Yes. Those first four or five and under, and the other ones are over five.
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:56

    That’s right. So these are plus Michigan was plus five, but the other ones were plus three. As I recall, that Arizona was plus three, Wisconsin was plus three, Pennsylvania was plus Three. Three. Okay.
  • Speaker 3
    0:02:08

    So the ones that are plus eight like North Sarah Longwell? Well, Georgia, Nevada, you know, those are legitimate swing states. They have gone for both, you know, Nevada Cortez Master one and twenty two against a a a trumpier alternative. However, like, that is a state where Hispanic the Hispanic vote and the sort of read machine breaking down is becoming an increasing problem for Democrats. But there’s three points in the states that Biden absolutely has to win.
  • Speaker 3
    0:02:37

    Okay? Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin and Michigan. And those are where this election is gonna be fought. Like, he can lose Georgia and Nevada, and it’s not good, but like he can. So Arizona has been trending bluer consistently.
  • Speaker 3
    0:02:55

    Like Republicans are having a harder time winning there, and the Republican Party is in shambles and Kerry Lake is going to be very likely the Republican nominee on the ticket. And she, like Donald Trump tends to be kryptonite for these kind of swingier voters. Old school McCain voters. I think Pennsylvania has shown I’ve seen a lot of polling in Pennsylvania, where Trump is actually, doing is losing to Biden, Pennsylvania. I’m just
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:20

    gonna bring up the Susquehanna poll that has Biden plus eight. I’m just I’m riding with Susquehanna. I don’t know about you. Hold hold on, Sam,
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:28

    before you Sarah, please finish.
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:29

    Well, just like I said, Michigan, the fifteen point swing seems a little off to me. That seems more pro And then who what’s the last state I really needed to get through? Oh, Wisconsin. So Wisconsin is a is an interesting one. The most recent election we had in Wisconsin, was the off year election where abortion for the Supreme Court judge, where abortion was a central issue, and she won by eleven points the Democrat.
  • Speaker 3
    0:03:52

    But also, this is a state that did not vote for Mandela Barnes and kept Ron Johnson, but so split. They split their tickets and people went for Evers and Ron Johnson. So it’s a very and it’s a very white state and a very mixed political state. So and I actually think Wisconsin is gonna be the ball game this time around. I think that Biden can win Pennsylvania, can win Michigan and can win Arizona.
  • Speaker 3
    0:04:12

    I think that Wisconsin is the real coin toss. And I do think that Biden’s numbers are a little extra low in Michigan because that has a big Palestinian population that is mad at him right now.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:24

    Tim, I do not think Sarah is alarmed enough before I throw
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:29

    it to you. Let’s go with me because I wanna chime in with Sarah. I I’m with Sarah. Hold on.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:33

    Can I can I throw some more cold water on, though?
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:35

    Okay. Fine. You can throw cold water.
  • Speaker 1
    0:04:37

    We’ve had seventeen national polls in January, Biden has led in only two of them. In both of those leads, it’s been by one point. And in the last week, we have had the eugene Carol jury verdict. We’ve had the GDP growth report showing another way beating expectations, great economic thing, We’ve had the Republican shit show with the Ukraine aid and border deal, and we’ve had Trump becoming the assumed nominee. So in other words, We’ve had a period of solid, again, what we would have thought as being excellent good news for Biden.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:13

    And this is the number.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:14

    Yeah. Well, I guess. This there’s always a lag. I I so JBL, all that would be a fair point if this was March thirty one. And and if an if a round of polls come out of March thirty one, we can run this tape back and and Tim, Tim is gonna start, you know, mentoring in his underwear Alright?
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:31

    Like, but right now, I think that
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:33

    Victorating was that one.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:34

    Victorating. When did I say?
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:35

    No. No. No. I just wanted to make sure people understood what you meant, which is wetting your pants.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:39

    It’s just
  • Speaker 3
    0:05:40

    a fancy word for peeing in your pants.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:41

    Yeah. But I’m really bad. An extra pee, extra big pee in my pants. March thirty first if we have a round of polls that look like this. But I think that there’s gonna be a delay on the Trump nomination effect.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:53

    I think the economic stuff is really just kind of sinking in as well. I think that there’s gonna be a delay on that for it to show up in the polls and also I just, I don’t want to be Mr. Unskew, and I’m not going to be most of the time, but I don’t, I don’t, the morning console thing. I’ve just, let let’s just give it a a beat. Okay?
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:13

    Because for starters, these internet polls are really struggling to to capture old people. And for our friends listening who are sixty five plus we love you. I want to I want to pull up this was an excellent tweet from my man Adam Carlson. He looks through the last six National polls, among sixty five plus. Yugov had Trump plus seventeen.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:35

    Economist had Trump plus sixteen. Bolfage group had bind in plus twenty. Like, these the pocket the internet polls can’t get, and that’s what the morning console thing is. If you look at some of the more quality pollsters, Marquette, recently, for example, in Wisconsin had Biden plus two which is the gold standard in Wisconsin. So I’m not gonna freak out.
  • Speaker 2
    0:06:57

    You don’t love to see it, you know. You don’t love to see a morning consult poll that has twelve plus eight in in in Nevada and Georgia. You know, that does give me bad butterfly feelings in my belly. But I I just I don’t think that we need to to go into full panic mode. I do think it is time to move into full urgency mode.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:19

    And, you know, I felt that way for about a year now. So, and I think that there’s been some in that direction. You know, we saw this week to bite and Super PAC announced a two hundred fifty million dollar ad buy, which is real money, real numbers. It can actually educate people unlike the Nikki Haley bullshit money that they’re they’re excited about. They’re like, oh, Nicki Hill, I got five million.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:41

    It’s like great. That, you know, if you spent all five million in the Greensboro market. Maybe you could move you could move two points there, but two fifty million is real money. And so I do think that we’re seeing a campaign begin an artist and I wanna check back in in mid March.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:55

    So here’s my optimistic take on it. If with all of this good news and all of the Trump at his most crazy, It really is Trump plus ten in North Sarah Longwell, trump plus eight in Georgia. Well, then we know what America is.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:12

    It’s time to start looking at property?
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:14

    Well, no. I mean, like, at that point, it’s not like, oh, well, the voters just weren’t able to, you know, they had a bad run of economic luck. And, you know, people make bad decisions when they like, then this is just like this is who we are. And this is what the country wants. And in a way, I find some solace in that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:33

    Right? I mean, it’s, like, that’s, like, understanding that, like, oh, we’re on a ship the sinking and the the ship is just going down.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:39

    There’s nothing to be done about it. And so I would I I take that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:42

    Right? There’s a fatalistic comfort
  • Speaker 3
    0:08:45

    so I gotta say, maybe it’s because I we’re currently doing some things around here in which we’re talking to a lot of two time Trump voters. Who are out on Trump. And maybe I’m listening too much to them, and it’s coloring my views on this stuff. Yeah. And and that is selection bias because we’re selecting them.
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:04

    But but I just I believe they represent something real and meaningful I I just I agree with Tim about these internet polls. I think there are people oh, I actually I shouldn’t say this probably, but, like, there are people like, everybody’s ready for the or not everybody. There are people in the political universe that I think are ready for this Trump Biden rematch and are ready for the panic of Trump coming back. And I think it’s incumbent on us to keep perspective. I’m not saying they’re push pulls exactly, but, like, think everyone needs to we don’t need to be on Hopium stuff.
  • Speaker 3
    0:09:37

    We’re no Simon Rosenberg, you know, this is everything’s gonna be fine, and we all know that. We should be worried. But I’m not gonna freak out over everyone pull. And I do think, I believe this. When Tim says we’re on the tape back, like, I wanna be on the record, that we are gonna start to see a correction in this polling as interest rates get cut as Trump becomes very, like, after super Tuesday when it’s clear, One of the things talking to voters right now is that Nikki Haley’s getting enough and these guys do not understand.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:04

    Like, they think Nikki can win. Is it Nikki Haley doing well? Like, isn’t it possible that Nikki? I’m super pro Nikki. And, I just Right.
  • Speaker 3
    0:10:14

    The the idea that there’s a ton here to play out, that these polls are not capturing people at, you know, whatever. They’re not capturing the intensity of the anti trump vote. I just Everybody, it’s okay.
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:26

    Look, everything you’re saying should be happening. Right? That that’s, like, I I we really like, I hope in March thirty first that when we run this back, all of this stuff appears in the polling data because it should be there. Like, there’s no there’s no governing by all the if all the laws of physics held, then that’s where we would be. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:46

    So but, it’s just a question whether or not people are, but they are. One person who is well, you know, now we’ll we’ll get to Shelley more Caputo on him in a minute. Sarah Longwell, I’ll just sit here like a pinata. I’ll just twirl around. People are
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:59

    desperate for the Shelley Moore Capital content. By the way, I teased it. I teased it on ballot box and JBL just teased it and it’s coming people. So just just wait your turn. Just get ready.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:09

    You have thoughts on Nikki Haley, and you wanna beat me about the head and shoulders with it. And so I’m here.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:16

    I just want you to know I read your triad yesterday.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:18

    Thanks. You only read the ones you wanna gonna yell at me for?
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:21

    Not true. Naturally.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:24

    Did you make it to the second item in the triad or did you just read number one?
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:27

    I just read number one.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:29

    That’s a triad. It’s a three part.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:31

    I do know that. But the first part was the part that I was most interested in. And I would just like to have a quick debate on the merits of Nikki Haley’s her current role that she’s playing in the race and ultimately, in her criticism of Donald Trump. And I think you are being too fatal shockingly. I think you’re being too fatalistic and too negative.
  • Speaker 3
    0:11:52

    Now here’s the thing. I know and I’m aware that just as you upfront admit that you were wrong about Liz, Cheney.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:00

    You
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:00

    were wrong about Chris Christie.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:01

    Hundred percent.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:02

    That I can also be Lucy with the football.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:04

    Hold on. Hold on. Just we’re not saying we’re wrong. I wanna see Chris Christie. I don’t see the big fellow on stage with Joe Biden before anybody saying they’re wrong about Chris Charlie Sykes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:12

    So I just I wanna see it first.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:14

    You can wait on that. I will take the l on Chris Chrissy right now. Go ahead, Sarah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:18

    Yeah. So I I tweeted something, a couple or after Nevada where I was like, you know, If Nikki Haley’s not gonna actually attack Trump, then, like, I want her to get out and I want Trump to be the nominee as quickly as possible for the contrast so that the contrast with Biden directly can begin as soon as possible because I think that does start to turn the narrative around a little bit. And so people like did not like that take on Twitter They they were like, no, Nikki needs to stay in. And I was kinda like, well, if she’s gonna run the campaign, she’s been running this whole time, I’ll see the point in her staying in. But she’s started to run a different campaign.
  • Speaker 3
    0:12:51

    Okay? And I think that your negativity about her is unwarranted as in this moment as we what we should be doing is not saying and this is we’ve had this argument before because sometimes I think when you when you say that somebody is definitely gonna do a thing, she’s definitely gonna endorse Trump. She’s definitely gonna break our hearts. You sort of give them permission to do that thing, right? Because why would she do anything else?
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:22

    Nobody expects her to do anything else. We should be putting a ton of pressure on her, not to endorse Donald Trump, and we should be celebrating and amplifying her criticisms of him. She’s going pretty hard at him right now. And, like, that’s good. And I think, you know, that’s psychologically for her too.
  • Speaker 3
    0:13:42

    The more she does it, right? The more she burns the boats, the less chance there is of her going back. And I like I said, I’m willing to be wrong about this, and I do think that one of the worst things Nikki Haley would do. I’m basically I’m I just won’t stand in total judgment of her at this moment because I think Nikki Haley’s gonna have a hit a crossroads. And if the path she takes is to say, I will not endorse Donald Trump.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:06

    She doesn’t have to endorse her line, but she will not endorse Donald Trump because she believes what she says about him. Then that would be incredibly meaningful. If she does endorse him after all of the things that she says one on one, because these aren’t like his tax policies stupid or whatever. This is like he’s mentally unfit and incompetent. Like, she’s down that road.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:30

    If she endorses him, she’s dead to me. And I’m sure that keeps her up at night. The idea of being dead to me. Sure. But, like, That is that is a that is a horrible permission structure for the people who also feel like everything she said about him is true.
  • Speaker 3
    0:14:46

    But then say, oh, man, you know, people like Nikki, like, we all just get back on the team. That’s what we do. And so I just I would withhold judgment You you are judging her right now quite harshly, I think, before she’s done anything. Before she’s made that choice.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:02

    All fair. I wouldn’t disagree with any of that. I am judging her. I’m prejudging what I believe she’s going to do. And I may be wrong.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:13

    I am also judging a little bit the the craveness of her you know, a week and a half ago. Like, I don’t know anything about these cases. Why are you asking me? Then like, oh, yeah. Sure he got this one.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:28

    Like, I don’t, like, this just seems like somebody who will say anything.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:31

    But isn’t she doing what we’ve asked her to do?
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:33

    I guess I, you know, I like people who just like say the things that they actually think.
  • Speaker 3
    0:15:39

    I agree with that. You know, I agree with that, but also, like, do we make no allowances for the campaign to sort of shift.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:45

    It’s I just let me ask that. Let’s play that out because, seriously, because I don’t, because here’s why. Why? This is this is what it comes down to me like, why? Like, the fundamental argument on the side of her not telling the truth.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:59

    Is that it might help her politically. And is there evidence for that? Like like, so far, the evidence seems to be that like, oh, yeah, it’s helped her politically. She only lost by thirty. And it’s like, well, the point of this isn’t to lose by thirty.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:12

    Like she’s won two counties. The strategy to date has not really worked. And so it’s kind of like, why are we making allowances for her to help her beat Trump? Cause I’m there. I’m there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:22

    If you’re telling me that this matter, the Nikki strategy of pulling punches and not really saying what she really thinks, might lead to her winning South Sarah Longwell. You could get me there. Alright. You can get me there. But I don’t none of us see any path to her winning South Carolina or Super Tuesday or anything or the nominate And so why so why make allowances for her to kind of, you know, do a half ass attack on Trump and then endorse it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:44

    I, obviously, you’re for the endorsement. But but that I guess that’s my that would be my case. Like, I don’t I just don’t see why we’re making why make allowances for her. To lose.
  • Speaker 3
    0:16:53

    Because if I I think I think now it now that she’s really saying and running against him, I went from thinking, what’s the point drop out to like, no. Okay. You’re gonna say the thing for as long as donors will keep you in this race say the thing and go after him. The twenty percent that she’s appealing to were the eighteen percent national polls. Sorry, but those are the prime targets.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:18

    For the Republican voters against Trump types. It allows us to identify those people. It allows us to figure out the number of sort of old school Republicans that stay in the party and which ones of them are persuadable. I I just I see value in it as long as she’s telling the truth about him now and also the one reason I’ll give her I’ll give her a little latitude on this is like the fact that they weren’t trying to win before was so evident And now, like, that people are starting to pay attention, like, case making matters a little bit more. She’s one on one with him.
  • Speaker 3
    0:17:52

    And people are like tuning in a little bit for the first time. It’s like, I just see value in it. She erases the value and in fact turns it into a negative if she endorses but if she doesn’t, then this is valuable what she’s doing right now.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:05

    I I don’t disagree with that. I I guess my my view of this is that the If you think of this as like leverage, right, thinking like physics with a teeter totter, right, and and leverage, the the weight of what she’s doing now is very, very close to the fulcrum, meaning that, like, there there just isn’t a lot of leverage to it. And what the the only thing that will wind up mattering is what she does at the end. Like, that’s when she’s all the way out to the the end of the teeter totter. And, you know, like, it doesn’t matter what she says now because if at the end of the day, she goes and endorses him, it blows up all of that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:18:42

    See, this is where I just this is the part I really disagree with, is that I agree it matters a great deal what happens in the end, but what she does, like, what she does in the end then makes what she does right now matter considerably more. Because if right now, she burns the boats on him and then she refuses to endorse him. You’ve gotten yourself, you bought yourself, what, another month or so depending if she goes through Super Tuesday another couple of months of her talking right to Republicans about how unfit he is and then refusing to endorse them. And so that is the outcome we want. Like, we should want that outcome.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:18

    We should acknowledge that outcome.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:20

    Totally.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:20

    If. So it’s not to me, like, what she does and it’s the reverse. If she if she endorses him, then the fact that she’s gone hard at him is actually made worse by that. And so, like, she’s gonna reach a crossroads and we want her to choose the path of not endorsing him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:35

    Choose the right path, Nikki. I agree.
  • Speaker 3
    0:19:37

    Yeah. Hey, this this guy wants to get to Shelly Mark Caputo and not on the path.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:41

    You know what the wrong path is? Can I tell you the wrong path?
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:44

    Hit me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:45

    Shelling more capital. It’s capital, but you can mispronounce her name. That’s fine. She doesn’t really deserve much better. She’s senator from West Virginia if you haven’t heard heard about her.
  • Speaker 2
    0:19:53

    She was the senator. She was was senator on January sixth. She’s been senator for a long time. Actually, she’s been in Congress C or two thousand. And, here were her, here were her comments on, I think, January seventh.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:05

    The actions and reactions of president Trump were disgraceful and history will judge him harshly. What’s her comments on January seventh? Here’s showing more capitals. X post over the weekend. Today at the West Virginia GOP winter meeting lunch, I announced my support For president Donald Trump during his administration, our economy thrived our nation was secure blah blah blah blah blah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:33

    Fuck you, killing more chef. I Fuck you. Like, this is so crazy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:37

    This is
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:38

    so crazy, disgraceful. History will judge him harshly. I wonder if
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:42

    he’s president. Not Her. She’s the first three. Judge him harshly.
  • Speaker 3
    0:20:47

    History will
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:48

    not judge him harshly. I just, like, there are there is no I know that Blah will be done this before, but, like, there is no analog to this. Like, there is no other pull there’s no example, there’s no both sides and there’s no There’s no past Republicans no matter how much you’ve hated any any politician ever before in history. They’ve all been Hippocrats. Everybody’s talked out of both sides of their mouth.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:10

    Never before. It’s somebody even like, I think this person is so bad that the history books will shame them. And I want them to be president again. Like, it it makes no sense. It is enraging, and she absolutely knows better.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:27

    I know she knows better. I know people that work for her. I know people that are friends with our family. I know in West Virginia politics. I know Shelley Moore Capital.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:36

    She fucking knows better. She is a seventy not that it would be better if she was doing this for some personal political calculation. She’s a seventy year old. She’s been in Congress twenty five years. She’s not gonna be on Donald Trump’s shortlist.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:49

    It’s not like she’s waiting till twenty twenty eight where she’s playing out. She wants to keep her options open. Her career is over. Just do the right thing. Do you know why she’s doing this?
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:57

    I I’ll tell you why because her kid wants to run. Her nepo and and her child more capital. He’s not even a nepo baby, by the way. He’s a nepo grandbaby because showing more capital’s father, archmore, was a long time politician in West Virginia and he was the governor of West Virginia in the late eighties. So Her fucking nepo grandbaby needs his mother to try to ruin the American experiment.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:26

    In order to make sure he has a better chance to win a little primary this year, how about you shut up? How about you just say nothing? Okay. And let arch you know, earn the, you know, earn shame himself and and earn this on his own merits. They sold it so much.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:40

    Just didn’t go do something else. This is what I was gonna say with you.
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:43

    I saw it
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:43

    in the George pain. I’m sorry, Kim.
  • Speaker 3
    0:22:45

    Your boy, Jeb, also. Remember when when He
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:48

    didn’t endorse Donald Trump for president.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:50

    Right. That’s what I’m saying. They saw that. And they realize crap, you know, look what happened to George P. We gotta make sure that doesn’t happen to him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:58

    Look what happened to George P. He lost anyway. Yes. He lost anyway. Yes.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:02

    Because his dad didn’t George Pee totally suckled up to Donald Trump and he had little He had little fucking koozie’s about why his about why he was the only Bush that was right. He had like George P Bulwark actually insulted his family, the honor of his like deceased grandparents. You okay. Like, he insulted them in order to try to get on Trump’s side. I got nothing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:23:25

    That’s what I’m saying. Jeb didn’t endorse, and then no matter what George P did, he still lost because of it. She is trying to avoid that fate for him. That’s That’s what I’m saying.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:36

    Then just then just leave. Okay. Then just go away then just go away. Alright. If you, like, if you are unable to do this, but says you want more little little more who’s done nothing in this life.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:48

    I’m pulling up more as Wikipedia. Here’s his life. K. He graduated and then he went to the state a house of delegates. Alright.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:56

    This this person is exactly what Maga should hate. He’s exactly what anti establishment Republicans should hate. He’s done nothing. His whole life. He’s just a little like Frigate career politician.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:09

    He’s a life politician. He’s been a politician since he was a toddler. And now we’ve got a rip the end of our democracy to make sure he can be governor of West Virginia?
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:20

    No. Can I ask you something? Can I see you you seem mad or more mad? At Shelleymore Consternated. Than One big say.
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:29

    Consternated. And it’s not. That’s no way that that’s the right formulation. Than you did about Marco Rubio? I mean, like, every single one of these guys, and they all said that Trump did, like, and they all said January six was bad, and he was bad.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:44

    Yeah. Well, no. I’m mad about all of them. We can do this every week if you want. But yeah, but this one
  • Speaker 3
    0:24:49

    Like, why Shelley more computer?
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:50

    This is because because She because I I know her. I don’t know, like, really, but I I know her. Like, I have a one degree of separation from Shelley Moore Capital. This person knows better. This person is a seventy year old grandmother.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:05

    She, like, why do this? Like, why at least Marco, Marco and his fucking big ears, Like, yeah, he’s convinced that he’s like pinocchio where, like, every year, like, the more lies he tells about Donald Trump, his ears grow bigger, and he’s convinced that, like, by twenty thirty six He’ll be able to fly into the White House. Okay. He’s a he’s like a middle aged man who has delusions.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:26

    So I’m I don’t like that, but
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:28

    he is delusional.
  • Speaker 3
    0:25:29

    Yeah. You got mixed Disney references happening.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:32

    No. Didn’t dumbo. Yeah. I wanted ears. Flying.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:34

    That’s not fun. Pinocchio. It’s getting well, it’s a mixed. I thought it was a rift more. It was more of a rift than a mixed metaphor.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:41

    I wanna defend Shelley more capital.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:42

    Because I wanna cost my own thing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:45

    I wanna cost my own thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:47

    You would you would you would end American the American experiment so that Flash could be governor of New Jersey. Well, I
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:53

    mean, it’s not it’s not far. I really disagreed with Joe Biden’s decision to try to forgive student debt via executive order. I thought that was a bad thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:26:06

    We do.
  • Speaker 1
    0:26:06

    A bad, probably unconstitutional thing. Yet here I am saying that we ought to hope that Joe Biden’s elected president. So, really, when you think about it, it’s the same. Right? I’m the same.
  • Speaker 1
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  • Speaker 2
    0:28:21

    Why aren’t you madder about Shelley Moore, Sarah? That’s what I wanna know. Why am I alone? Well, I was I was I was hoping my rant was gonna get you riled up and you were to be like, you’re right, Tim. Screw her.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:34

    Screw. Like, where are why? Why is it just me?
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:36

    He spent your whole ad read getting so mad at me, wanting his hands in his hair. I just watched him he got redder as you as we’re reading the air.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:44

    I can’t
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:44

    miss up our ass.
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:45

    Getting redder. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:46

    Yeah. Because Sarah laughed at me about my rant threat. Why are you so mad at showing more having a, why aren’t you a man at showing more capital
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:53

    just you? I, of course. I, of course, am. I just, like, we’re super far down the list now of senators who have endorsed Trump. Like, I just, at this point, I, like, I don’t know.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:04

    She actually waited kinda long, in the grand scheme of like Cornin already endorsed him. Rubio already endorsed him. I mean, Lindsey Graham endorsed him a million years ago. Who was the first one to endorse him out of the gate? I don’t know.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:14

    Even Mitch McConnell’s out there.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:16

    Even though she’s in the house, but
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:17

    she’s referred. I’m talking about senators. But like, you know, I just the oh, the the the West Virginia senator, the state that Trump won by fifty points, as a moral matter, you know that I’m with you. I just, I guess I I I don’t know. On my outrage meter, we’re sort of in the
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:33

    Just watch out when the Todd young endorsement comes Okay. I’m gonna have some thoughts about that.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:37

    I will be very sad about the Todd Young endorsements because Todd Young is one of the few adults left there, but also people that are purported adults, they’re already rushing to endorse him. It’s discreet. I mean, what do you want from me? You know what I think about it. I just That’s just funny to me that you zeroed in on this one.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:54

    Speaking of adults. Taylor Swift doesn’t adult.
  • Speaker 3
    0:29:58

    Oh, do we have to talk about this?
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:00

    I mean, only if you want people to listen to our show and watch the YouTube version of it because everybody wants to talk about this. But if you’re not into it, Sarah, we don’t have to. Am I the only person here who actually likes Taylor Swift? Is that is that real?
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:14

    No comment. The truth?
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:16

    So I will tell you hold on. I will tell you that I So first of all, on the Taylor Swift, you’ve taken two things that I don’t care about very much at all.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:25

    That’s not true. You’re a football fan now. You’ve solved me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:28

    It’s my
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:28

    problem. This is my problem. Right? So I I I try to care about football and obviously I like music, but I I don’t engage in either of them enough because I just don’t Like, I don’t see I don’t I don’t care. And so the problem is is two things that I don’t care that much about have converged into the biggest political story.
  • Speaker 3
    0:30:47

    And now it is forcing me to have to Karen and I resent it. But the only thing I did in service to this, I will not comment on it on Twitter because there’s just too much. I cannot believe how much discourse there is about this thing. The only thing I’ll say is that I did to get her essentials, like, you know, on the whole iTunes, whatever, and was playing them today.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:04

    And I
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:04

    was like, oh, there’s a whole bunch of songs on here. I don’t know that are quite good. Gonna listen to more. That’s my this is my big attempt to engage in the disclosure.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:14

    I wanna get you engaged. I’m gonna get you engaged in a different way about something you do care about. The interior lives of women and the choices of women. Okay? So I I’m gonna have a topic on this because me and Bill, if you on the ballot box, like, on it’s on the next level feed.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:26

    We put it in there. Me and Bill did like twenty minutes on how crazy all the mags are and their how their conspiracy theories sane and how these people are massages that have lost their mind and and how the triangle of doom. We did it all. We can do more, but I I I found finally one interesting take on Taylor that I’d like to read this morning. These are the normal conservatives.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:46

    Edmond Smirk. Right? I know you’re really excited about this. I wonder who Edmund Smark voted for. I think probably he wrote in Edmund Burke.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:56

    Conservatives get Conservatives get the entire Taylor’s story wrong. The last dude Taylor dated was an unambitious and effeminate British actor who turned her into a forever girlfriend of six years. She stuck around, even as he hid their relationship, made her walk out on the outside of the road, and he forestalled their family formation. Taylor had to lead the relationship and play the masculine role. This is why it did not work because, of course, it would not.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:25

    It rarely if ever does with beta males. The conservative world view has been completely vindicated. Yet we are not celebrating. Instead, we have to complain about fake wokeness because conservatives are enthralled to a reality television host rather than celebrate her relationship with the football player. Who’s an alpha male.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:44

    So there you go. Those are the good conservatives. That’s what we got left. This guy who I think must be a homosexual himself I don’t know any straight males who can go that deep on on Taylor Swift stating history. But so anyway, I don’t know.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:59

    Maybe he’s just a gay guy that likes likes alpha males, but, the good conservatives, the anti trump conservatives, their take is that this is this should be celebrated because Taylor Swift is finally dating an alpha male football star rather than a beta, Timothy chalamet, metrosexual.
  • Speaker 3
    0:33:18

    Okay. So I I don’t think that was actually about the interior lives of women. That sounds like an interior lives of some dude on Twitter. It doesn’t sound And
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:26

    it’s good about it’s good about gender roles. Maybe gender roles is how women should what how we should think about women.
  • Speaker 3
    0:33:32

    Yeah. I just I think you should think a little bit more about what it means to talk about the interior lives of women. On your tics, but, so, Alright.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:46

    It’s a good show.
  • Speaker 3
    0:33:49

    Good good show short show JBL’s gonna have a coronary.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:54

    Okay. No. Correct. That’s a fair criticism. It’s a fair criticism.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:58

    Do you have any other any thoughts about Edmond
  • Speaker 1
    0:34:00

    Smurk, though?
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:02

    Oh, but I’m gonna make a broader point about I will say the extent. I I so I I, in I I’m I’ve been trying to skip all the Taylor stuff, but it’s so replete through all any chan anything that I’m reading that, like, I can’t avoid it. And so I did sort of watch a few seconds of this guy who I guess is some kind of a sports announcer about football. Yeah. And so he was breaking down the number of seconds that Taylor Swift has actually been on the screen at these games.
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:30

    And it’s like, thirty two seconds. Fourteen seconds. And people are, like, this thing of, and I do. I there is the part of me, just like, the good old fashioned woman part, the sisterhood part that goes, why is everybody so mad that the camera is showing Taylor Swift? Like, the extent to which this causes men, to lose their minds that Taylor Swift is like be bopping around at a game having fun because god knows.
  • Speaker 3
    0:34:56

    Nothing makes these dopey alpha male keyboard warrior in cells, angrier than a woman who is rich having a good time. Like, I don’t I think it is, yeah. That’s why I downloaded her music because I am now I’m gonna I’m on her side, and I don’t really know why. But I am because of the because this stuff is so stupid. And like, I’m not invested in her dating a football player.
  • Speaker 3
    0:35:18

    The takes that actually made me the angriest are the ones where it’s like, Taylor Swift is dating him for his money. I’m like, this woman is maybe the richest woman on the planet. Like, I don’t under this she does not need him. And also, like, I the pack, this is the other thing that bothers me. Oh, wait.
  • Speaker 3
    0:35:35

    It turns out I do have thoughts on this. Is it
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:37

    I do have this right to get you going. Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:35:39

    It’s like, why can’t people just let people be happy? They seem like two young kids having a nice relationship. And I Have
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:46

    you not watched America over the last seven years, Sarah?
  • Speaker 3
    0:35:48

    I just think I just think, like, this seems like maybe something people could feel If not neutral about like neutral to good, it seems very weird to want to be angry. And all of the the discourse about like how it’s like you know, why aren’t conservatives more late? They should like this because this is a football all American football player and the most you know, a country music singer. I’m like, who cares about any of that? It’s just two two human beings who seem to like each other.
  • Speaker 3
    0:36:16

    Who seem both good at the things that they do. And, like, we could
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:19

    Seem is the keyword there though, because it’s just see it’s not because it’s not authentic. It is an op and and go by them. Your sorrows are behind. It is an op. It’s not authentic.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:30

    They found these two people because it’s so outlandish to think that a country music star and a foot in a very handsome football tight end might find each other on their own. It had to be Pfizer. Five the the executives at the pharmaceutical companies, they made this happen, Sarah, and that’s why people can’t be happy because they seem happy It seems like something you should be happy about, but it’s more than it it seems.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:53

    So, this is, I’m gonna say something unbelievably obvious to half of America. But but not entirely obvious to me until recently.
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:01

    If Joe Biden actually put Taylor Swift together with a football player, he would to Philadelphia Eagle because that’s my favorite team, and it’s a win statement.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:09

    So I, COVID nineteen broke my brain in one important way. Which is that it, it made me change my entire view of the pro life movement in America. Because I sat through I mean, I was, you know, in and around, I’m I’m nominally pro life. You know, I’m Catholic. I believe all the stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:31

    And I had always defended the pro lifers who I traveled around with as being, like, no. These are people who, like, really sincerely care about life. And then COVID nineteen happened, and I watched Most of those same people, be like, don’t make me wear your damn slave mask. And you know, like, no, it’s just the flu. And who gave?
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:51

    He, you know, if they die, then they’re that’s because they took the shot and all this shit because And between that and then with the reversal of RoeV weighed the absolute uninterest in doing anything to help mothers who are having babies. Like, there’s, you know, there’s no, like, welfare state expansion. There’s no, like, child support or or something like that. It’s just we just wanna criminalize things. And I I came to the conclusion, that actually most of the stuff the pro choicers said about pro lifers over the last twenty years about how they just wanna control women.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:23

    We’re probably true. And watching the Taylor Swift is another one of these movie moments for me where It just seems obvious now.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:32

    That continue.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:33

    I’m just
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:34

    registering that I’m downgrading you to some.
  • Speaker 1
    0:38:36

    Okay. Watching the Taylor Swift thing, it just seems obvious. To me that the real reason they’re so angry is just because she’s a woman and she’s successful and they don’t like it. It’s just misogyny. And, like, again, I’m sure this is the most obvious thing to,
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:53

    maybe It
  • Speaker 3
    0:38:53

    also not on their political tribe. Right? Also, this, like, what they seem obsessed with right now too is that you might endorse Joe Biden and at that point.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:00

    She’s only barely on that other political. Like, she’s not Barbara Strisand. Right? She is not per a person who’s, like, whose primary identity is politics. You know?
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:09

    And she to the extent that she has dipped her tone to politics, it has been very gingerly.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:14

    Right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:15

    And,
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:15

    Because it’s anybody that’s not Mega as part of the other truck. Yeah. But this all started. You have to this started with the areas to work. And then choose to put on the red hat or else your or else your
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:26

    And they just, you know, watching watching them flip out when her the the the tour movie came out and, you know, made a hundred ten million dollars in this opening weekend or whatever. They lost their minds over that. They just don’t like the fact that she is, like, this incredibly successful woman who’s who’s success like, is is largely tied to her believing in her own worth. I mean, this is like her entire career can be read as an artist believing in her own worth against the sort of big corporations in her industry, and they don’t like that. And they don’t like it because she’s a woman.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:02

    And again, sure it’s totally obvious to, like, half of America already. But for me, I’m like, wow. Hold on a minute. Yeah. This is just, you know, bunch of dudes hate women.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:10

    I have one other, thing that I saw just casually online though that has really stuck with me that I think is very funny, which is the big the moment that I learned who both Kanye West and Taylor Swift
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:23

    were, was the moments? Yeah.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:26

    Is that the NTB awards?
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:27

    Whatever it was.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:28

    Whatever it was. Maybe it was.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:29

    I’m gonna let you finish.
  • Speaker 3
    0:40:31

    I’m gonna let you finish, but he, like, he so she wins and he’s mad on Beyonce’s behalf, and he interrupts her, like, a accepted speech to say that Beyonce had the best album of the year. And it was a deeply rude thing for him to do. But it also it created a rift, right? Because there were people, especially I think, but that’s called the more liberal ish folks. Who took Kanye’s side because, like, why is maybe, like, they didn’t like that this white woman was getting this, you know, over what because a lot of people thought Beyonce had the best album.
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:04

    And conservatives, they sort of took, Taylor’s side for whatever cultural signifying reasons, of their own. And everybody now has switched sides. One of those be tho, that guy, the ones that lips like. He’s a white supremacist now. He’s like an anti Semitic white supremacist and she’s a liberal icon.
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:27

    And this is, I think, and vice encapsulation of the trajectory of our culture over the last fifteen years.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:34

    As I Will Saletan an interrupter and a Beyonce fan, even I thought it was a little much.
  • Speaker 3
    0:41:40

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:41

    At the time, I was like, you know, Kanye, I’m for Beyonce on this, and I’m with interrupting a woman every now and then. If it if you need to have something to say, but this is you’re taking it a little a little too far here. My man.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:54

    We’re gonna move on here in in just a second. But I just wanna issue a word of caution for all of the new football fans on the left to Love Tail or Swift and whatnot. Don’t don’t get two out over your skis here because the the San Francisco forty niners are a very good team. They’re slight underdogs, but they could very easily win this super bowl. And if that happens And
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:14

    there’s a favorite, actually.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:15

    Are they favorite
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:16

    now? They’re fifteen.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:18

    Right? So it’s a pick them. And, if they win, then all of these horrible people like the the Gramaswami are gonna be running off to Twitter to yell. See, Taylor Swift cost them the Super Bowl, and go dunking. And so that’s coming your way.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:34

    So don’t get too, like, over invested in in this story. That’s all.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:39

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    0:45:00

    Just wanna say for the record, it’s not that I don’t like music or care about it. I just like mostly like it when it’s in the form of musical theater. Yeah. That’s that I’m much more invested.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:09

    And I
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:09

    also would say I’m like a huge music person as evidenced by the fact that I write about music for the Bulwark and that’s my least read articles of the year every year. But even I, like, don’t like to don’t care. I kind of stopped reading a lot of musician interviews because I’m like, I don’t want it to ruin my experience of it. Yes. Like, if you’re determining your whole like emotional response to music based on who somebody’s dating in a football game.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:31

    That that seems like a bad personal choice.
  • Speaker 3
    0:45:33

    My key point is that it’s not that I don’t care about music. It’s that I don’t care about personal lives of, like, actors and musicians. Like the pop culture aspect, the people magazine aspect of all this is irrelevant.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:46

    Noted. Alright. We gotta move on to an important topic. A serious topic. Corey Bush is currently a victim of the Biden crime family.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:53

    It’s happening again. Joe Biden’s Department of Justice is investigating Corey Bush, a democratic representative from the state of Missouri. And, the the investigation centers around misuse of campaign funds. She’s also
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:08

    being investigated by the FEC and the House
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:12

    ethics committee, what she says is that, she has used campaign fund to pay for security because as a regular member, she’s not entitled to security. She says she’s cooperating completely. But, the the The flying appointment seems to be that one of the men she was paying for security, she is now married to. And so we will see how this shakes out, but it is important to to note that once again, the the Biden crime family is using the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies. Because Corey Bush has been quite, quite quite vociferous about her disagreement with the Biden Ministry.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:52

    Do you, Jay? That’s cool. What have you stopped me before I keep like the wrap the DOJ rap sheet is pretty, it’s pretty, but it’s pretty long here. I mean, it’s it’s levels upon levels. I mean, the hunter the Joe Biden DOJ wasted three years before they started to, investigate Donald Trump for trying to overturn our democracy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:11

    They’re now investigating Joe Biden in done. They’re investigating Democratic Senator and former colleague of Joe Biden, Bob Menendez, are investigating the Mayor of New York, Mayor, Eric Adams. Mayor of New York? We’re investigating a Texas congressman, Democratic and now investigating Corey Bush. So that’s quite I mean, it’s all you gotta keep up appearances.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:34

    Okay? You know, when you have a politicized weaponized DOJ, you know, you can’t make it too obvious. Alright? So you have to
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:41

    Patsies.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:42

    Yes. You gotta throw people off the scent. You gotta throw including the family members of Joe Biden. I do want I would love I struggle with this. You know, we don’t get to engage as much.
  • Speaker 2
    0:47:51

    Sometimes I do, but it’s hard to engage with Magafox because they don’t want to, but I I have not ever got a good answer on this. Like, when I was interviewing Ben and and, for the circus, I I felt like the the inverse of this. The one time I really stumped him and it was hard for him to come up with bullshit was that was on the inverse which is if this was a weaponized investigation like in Georgia why are so many people pleading guilty? Like, you know, and he like took a very long pause and and then kind of gay a totally nonsense non sequitur answer. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:21

    You could tell because he was like, I hadn’t thought about that one yet. Right? And and the inverse is is true. Like, if it’s weaponized, like, why are they do this. And I and on each individual case, like they’ve come up with some Hunter Biden reasoning.
  • Speaker 2
    0:48:32

    So it was they went easy on him and bought, but but like as a body of work, I it it does seem to undermine the conspiracy, but that that doesn’t seem to break through in in
  • Speaker 1
    0:48:43

    Sarah, does any of this ever register with the people you talked about in the in the focus groups, either Democrats or Republicans. Do any of them look at this and be like, no. Actually, it seems the Biden Justice department is behaving reasonably responsibly.
  • Speaker 3
    0:48:56

    No. Not on that. I think that the it has the intended effect with voters or not the intended effect. I’m sorry. I think that what happens with voters, and this is one of the things why it’s really important for the Republicans to focus on Hunter Biden is that I do think that people have this sense of, like, they’re all criminals.
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:13

    Right? Like, and and it really does, like, when I even when Tim was sort of listing off the number of people, I was like, oh, like, the le like, this is why people think government is corrupt and cannot doesn’t respond to their needs, and I think people should stop committing crimes, basically. It’s my hot take. People should do less of this, but, I think like that their goal is to muddy the waters. Right?
  • Speaker 3
    0:49:37

    If everybody’s corrupt, then Donald Trump’s corruption matters a great deal less. Right? And the what about opportunities are increased, And so, I think that that’s what I see in the groups. Is that that sort of fatalistic sense of, well, you know, the documents. Well, Joe Biden kept documents and so did Mike you know, it’s it muddies the waters to the extent that, Donald Trump is normalized because corruption is normalized.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:04

    I guess. I mean, I look at it and I I don’t I don’t fully understand that. Right? Because if the is, boy, lots of people in government are corrupt. I don’t understand how the remedy for that is.
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:17

    So let’s vote for the guy who’s the most corrupt. And for whom we have actual charges and evidence, and then we’re gonna vote against the guy for whom there are no reasonable allegations of corruption. Like, I do, like, that just don’t think about it, Adam. Well, I mean, it’s only democracy. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:50:37

    Why would they think about it that hard?
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:40

    I, I, I, good, Jacob. But I, I, I understand why people don’t get it. It is Like, they don’t follow the stuff that closely. And it kind of this kind of relates also to the Taylor Swift thing. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:50:50

    Like, the the Magga people, that that buy into the Taylor soap does an op thing, don’t actually think about the details of this. Like they’re in their brain, they’re not like, I wonder how this actually worked in process. Like, did Joe Biden meet with the farm executives and Travis Kelsey? Like, did they try out multiple actors? Right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:51:09

    Like, they just have this sense that things are corrupt and that that they are the victims of this corruption that is happening by these shadow elites. And and ned is also true about the buy geo DOJ stuff. Like, they don’t actually think how is Joe Biden targeting Donald Trump specifically. Like, it’s just like, oh, these guys are all are political and they’re out to get us.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:30

    It’s also true about
  • Speaker 3
    0:51:30

    like how the election was stolen. Like, my, like, when you ask people, like, well, what do you think they did to steal the election? They’re like, well, I don’t know exactly what they did, but, like, I’m just saying that when I went to bed, Donald Trump was winning and why I woke up Joe Biden was winning and what do you make of that? And if you’re like, they kept counting votes all night.
  • Speaker 1
    0:51:48

    I Like, I have been told by Republicans and conservatives for years. Years. The facts don’t care about your feelings. And now it seems like it’s the other way around. Their feelings don’t care about the facts.
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:02

    I don’t That is true.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:03

    It’s a student observation. I do do wanna go to the just democratic primary politics of this really quick. Yeah. If you don’t mind, for you, Lee, because I think it’s important. I think we’re gonna learn an interesting some we we’re gonna have some interesting new data point about the Democratic Coalition this year.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:17

    You don’t wanna overstate any particular primary. But, Corey, but the squad is gonna be facing some primary. Corey Bush has a primary from Wesley Bell. It’s a black local prosecutor, in Saint Louis. There might be another candidate in that race.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:32

    And, you know, so we’ll see how that shakes out Jamal Bowman. I don’t know. Did you see his nine eleven truth or con, poetry?
  • Speaker 1
    0:52:38

    Yeah. I saw that it existed. Yeah. Written inverse.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:41

    Yeah. It was all good. I don’t know if Ben Drive has sent a tweet though. It’s like, it feels a little generous to call this boat. Tree.
  • Speaker 2
    0:52:47

    But, you know, I’m not a judge that may well have Hannah weigh in on that. I’m not a poetry expert, but, but, yeah, Jamal Bowman obviously, you know, between the fire alarm pull and then lying about it and and, obviously his positions of the far left. He has a primary challenger. That’s a more, I think, direct ideological, race, George Latimer, as a county executive, support of Israel, and, Elon Omar, might also get a primary. So I and anyway, I do I think that it’ll be inter it is interesting.
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:18

    I think it is is at least an interesting data point that these are viable primaries. Right? Where the power on the Republican side is still the other way. There are some there is the exception of Hawthorne where everybody you know, ganged up against him. But there are very few exceptions.
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:33

    And usually when you talk about primaries in Republican contest, it’s the normies who have to act crazy. To fend off the crazy. Right? And and here we have a case where it’s I won’t call them the crazies, but the more extreme and maybe it’ll corrupt side of the democratic caucus like they’re now having to to check out their their middle flank We’ll see if that if that is a real, real fear or not, but I think that’s worth monitoring. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:53:59

    Although, I will say I forgot.
  • Speaker 3
    0:54:00

    I think Lauren Bobert might lose her primary. Which I’m, you know
  • Speaker 2
    0:54:05

    Well, she just changed districts. Such a weird history.
  • Speaker 3
    0:54:07

    She did change districts.
  • Speaker 2
    0:54:08

    She changed districts. And I don’t actually don’t know. I bumped into the airport. This week, a guy a guy I used to work with in Colorado’s Republican politics and and he in twenty like it’s like this microcosm of trump twenty sixteen He’s like, if we can just get her in a one on one, I think that we can beat her. But, like, the current situation is like, you know, he’s because he’s like, Bobert has, like, thirty six percent.
  • Speaker 2
    0:54:30

    And then they’re like nine people. They like range from like they’re attacking her because they’re more mega than she is to like, there’s relative normie. So, like, they have the whole a lot of also people with criminal records. So, like, you have all the colors of the rainbow in that primary. So anyway, but Bobert is it would be the other potential account or exam.
  • Speaker 1
    0:54:50

    Alright. Good show, incredibly long show, guys. Thank you. I got another hour on today.
  • Speaker 3
    0:54:55

    Perfectly normal sized show. I know. I actually I could get wound up about that, I guess.
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    0:55:00

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    0:55:09

    Yeah. And for one reason, actually, in particular, because I’m I’m getting a little annoyed. By how much higher George Conway and Sarah Longwell’s podcast. George Conway explains it all to Sarah Longwell is on the rankings. And, you know, it’s okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:55:23

    I support all my colleagues. I’m happy for the success of Sarah Longwell and her other podcast, but, you know, we could you could help bump us like, help bump us, help make it a little bit more of an even Steven kinda match.
  • Speaker 3
    0:55:33

    Did JBL go did you ask people to write comments on the George Conway explains it all that are just about me. Did you make some kind of weird appeal? I think you did. I think you did.
  • Speaker 2
    0:55:44

    No. I think JBL’s appeal was was you could please go write and comment and rate and review the new George Conway explains it all to Sarah Longwell podcast, which everybody should do. And I think the joke was even if you wanna Tim. I think that was the joke.
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    0:55:57

    Oh, there was a couple. There were a couple of, like, ten millers still the best in there. Now he
  • Speaker 1
    0:56:01

    did On the Thursday night show, I asked people to go and and make sure they shine you up.
  • Speaker 3
    0:56:05

    Because it is, like, it’s embarrassing. Like, you read it and it’s, because it’s a show. This, I am, I’m, like, hopefully, I’ll grow more central to the show because it’s just like George, just like going, going, going, And so it’s all these people being like Sarah Longwell just really shining in these. And I’m like, I clocked in at three minutes. Of dark time
  • Speaker 2
    0:56:26

    on this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:56:26

    Oh, wow. Look, you’re the straight man. Nothing he does works. Things people never said, man. Setting it up.
  • Speaker 1
    0:56:34

    Oh, sure. Alright guys. We’ll see you next week. Bye. Bye.
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