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The GOP’s Disgusting Future

December 13, 2023
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The future of the GOP disgustingly hurtles towards Sen. J.D. Vance’s isolationist vision, abandoning allies like Ukraine in the process. 

Plus, the Texas Supreme Court refuses to let a woman get an abortion, despite risks to her health. And the GOP’s impeachment inquiry into President Biden can’t even state the impeachable crime their investigating.

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This transcript was generated automatically and may contain errors and omissions. Ironically, the transcription service has particular problems with the word “bulwark,” so you may see it mangled as “Bullard,” “Boulart,” or even “bull word.” Enjoy!
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:05

    Hello, everyone. Welcome to the next level. I’m JBL here with my best friends. Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the bulwark. Let’s get to it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:15

    The impeachment of Joe Biden is moving forward in the house based on, Sebastian, can you give us some audio to start us off with, representative Joe Nagous, who is Degusa. Did I have that right? Is it or is it more of the Italian Nagusa? Nagusa. Alabama.
  • Speaker 2
    0:00:34

    Got famous during the last the first impeachment.
  • Speaker 1
    0:00:37

    Talking with guy Rachenthaler. Well, yesterday. He’s very German. Yeah. It’s, Sebastian hit it.
  • Speaker 3
    0:00:44

    What what what is the specific constitutional crime that you’re investigating?
  • Speaker 4
    0:00:50

    Well, we’re having an inquiry so we can do an investigation. It can call the production of witnesses.
  • Speaker 3
    0:00:55

    And what is the primary investment?
  • Speaker 4
    0:00:57

    Documents. High crimes, misdemeanors, and Brian
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:00

    What high crimes, mister Union, or are you investigating?
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:02

    The high one.
  • Speaker 4
    0:01:03

    I will once I get time, I will explain what we’re looking at, and I will make the equivalency.
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:08

    No. I’m just asking you for this.
  • Speaker 5
    0:01:09

    The last impeachment.
  • Speaker 3
    0:01:11

    Okay. So I what I’m trying
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:13

    So, I mean, normally, when there is a high crime, you can do an elevator pitch for it. For instance, the president of the United States got on the phone president of Ukraine and said, you have to investigate my political opponent, or I won’t give you military aid. Or for instance, the president of the United States stood up on a stage and said, you have to go down to the capitol this afternoon and stop the certification of the electoral college votes with strength. There. That’s the elevator pitch.
  • Speaker 1
    0:01:49

    The elevator pitch for the Joe Biden impeachment is that the crimes he is accused of committing are high.
  • Speaker 2
    0:01:58

    Maybe it’s because because Hunter Biden was high.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:03

    That’s it. Sarah Longwell it that this could how is it that this could could float with the general public, right? How You
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:11

    know, I I skipped very JBL in my head with stuff like this, because this is one of those asymmetric things. Right? I listened to voters during all of these impeachments, be like, This is a political witch hunt. This is silly. Why are they spending resources on this?
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:29

    And like there was a thing. There was a thing to follow. And the idea that they are going to impeach now but and here’s the other thing. Like, they keep doing this. They keep being like, well, we need to impeach to do the investigation to find out the things.
  • Speaker 2
    0:02:45

    And they’ve this is not the first time they’ve said this. It’s just now they finally got to the formal part And I guess it’s because they’ve realized they have so little that they have to formally impeach in order to I guess get the legal standing to try to dig deeper, but they must already know. Like, they would have found it by now. They’ve been in a formal inquiry now for
  • Speaker 1
    0:03:07

    months and months.
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:08

    Yeah. They’ll no. They have to peach to find out what’s going on. They took it from Nancy Pelosi. You know?
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:13

    Hey.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:13

    Gotta build a notice and it
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:15

    was To find it out. I gotta tell you. I had a couple of observations, this fella, Russianthalar Fire.
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:20

    Lisa scholar?
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:21

    I I never heard of him. I and and it’s like, This is the thing. I just think that there is this insight into into what is happening in the Republican conference, which is like every time you meet a new person, they’re stupider than you could possibly imagine. I, you know, I don’t wanna insult, the university of penn state university at Erie. Just, I was googling guy’s resume here.
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:43

    But he seems like a total moron. He was completely unable to answer the bay basic questions. About what he’s doing there. He doesn’t seem to care. And this is just a median member now.
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:53

    There was a one This
  • Speaker 2
    0:03:54

    guy might be above median.
  • Speaker 5
    0:03:55

    I know. I mean, people are people are still living in the twenty seventeen construct, which is like if you didn’t know a Republican congress person, they’re probably a basically you know, a minimally competent person member of Congress from an earlier era who decided to be quiet because Donald Trump took over the party. And now they’re sitting silently in the back bench. That’s not it. All most of those peoples have cycled out.
  • Speaker 5
    0:04:19

    And they’ve been replaced by the Russian Slire Fire. So that’s That that’s one observation I have. Here’s the other one that’s only kind of tangentially related to this. That there’s another big news this week. I don’t know if you saw this, which is Biden’s Department of Justice I laid a pretty serious indictment against Biden’s son.
  • Speaker 5
    0:04:37

    Like, you might go to yeah. Like, you might go to jail. You really very well you uh-uh this is a hunter is in very serious danger of going to jail level indictment. This is not a Oh, little b s patty cake indictment or a show indictment or whatever. I this is a real deal indictment.
  • Speaker 5
    0:04:55

    And when DOJ indict somebody with real deal indictments, they go to jail most of the time. And so it’s intriguing because, you know, the fundamental underlying element of that that I actually can explain better than guy rations flusher, of of what the point is of what they claim to be invested. Is that Joe Biden was wrapped up in Hunter Biden’s foreign dealings in some way or another.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:21

    When he was president. Right?
  • Speaker 5
    0:05:22

    Yeah. No. No. No. Sorry.
  • Speaker 5
    0:05:24

    When he’s not president.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:25

    Or when he’s not president.
  • Speaker 5
    0:05:26

    Yeah. No. And that and also not when he’s vice president. Also not when he’s vice president, actually, when he is after the vice presidency. There there’s some spurious accusations about his time when he was vice president, but most of the core accusations happen in bet in the four years when Trump was president.
  • Speaker 5
    0:05:40

    That seems
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:41

    so weird.
  • Speaker 5
    0:05:42

    That is weird. So anyway, you know, if if Biden was using the levers of his power in order to help enrich his son and help his son when he was VP, and when he was not in a in elected office, you would think that when he’d be president, he might try to do that as well. I don’t know. Try to put his thumb on the scale with old Merrick Garland. Maybe have a tarmac meeting.
  • Speaker 5
    0:06:05

    Maybe at maybe berate him. Publicly on x. As an as as as another former president did. I don’t know. There are few few potential things, and he doesn’t seem to have done any Jonathan Last surviving son.
  • Speaker 1
    0:06:18

    And worst Henry crime family ever.
  • Speaker 5
    0:06:20

    Yeah. Who seems to love very much, and and and hunters and deep doo doo. And yet somehow this chain of events has not changed the narrative from a single Republican Yeah. I there’s a great Jonathan in New York magazine today that he goes through. Rich Lowry, at the national reviews out there talking about.
  • Speaker 5
    0:06:39

    I can’t believe people are getting the vapers about Donald Trump wanting to be a dictator when Joe Biden’s out here running, you know, having the DOJ and died his opponent. And the Wall Street Journal is is out there saying, oh, that Biden DOJ DOJ is corrupt to how much worse could trump’s be. And and it’s go it’s like the Biden DOJ has indicted now Joe’s son Bob Menendez, they’re investigating Eric Adams. They’re investigating a member of Congress from the Democratic Party, from Texas, I I mean, there is no amount of actual facts in action that could that could possibly change this imaginary narrative that Biden is corrupt and is the same as Trump.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:17

    And yet, all of this stuff, which is apparently, you know, yeah, it’s prima facie insane, is gonna wind up hurting Biden and helping Trump. Right? Because we will get both, hey, see, Hunter Biden is guilty. And so Joe Biden is just as corrupt, to go along right next to. Trump is innocent because it’s all a deep state conspiracy.
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:40

    Both of those things are gonna be true in the minds of voters.
  • Speaker 2
    0:07:42

    Here’s the thing though. I mean, some of it is the bifurcated media, some of it is the shamelessness of republics, whatever. But, like, the case that we are making about the DOJ I don’t hear that from Democrats very often. Now maybe I’m not watching the right MSNBC shows, but I feel like What house can’t make it?
  • Speaker 1
    0:07:59

    Because the White House shouldn’t
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:00

    be commenting
  • Speaker 5
    0:08:00

    on this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:01

    Right? I’m gonna I’m gonna lose my mind on this surrogate stuff. Like, the idea that there is not an army of talkers out there to be like, Look how fair this department of justice is. Look at what they’re doing. They are investigating Dubai.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:13

    Now, maybe some of the lawyer lead types are doing it. But like the political side needs to do it. This campaign needs to start. I am getting beside myself. Like the reason I’m sorry.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:22

    The reason for the asymmetry is in part because of a communications gap because there is no offense strategy. Right now, everybody thinks that Trump’s gonna do it for them. And he’s not I mean, he is to some degree, but like, you gotta do your job. You gotta get out there and be really aggressive about making these cases.
  • Speaker 5
    0:08:40

    I wanna agree in part and and disagree just in part. So the Biden White House is has been pretty aggressive at be at making James Comer seem to be clowned. You know, they’re they put out a lot of press releases a lot about that. They talk about that. I I do think that there’s a media element to this.
  • Speaker 5
    0:08:55

    James Comer being a total clown is not on the Today show. Right? I I just It isn’t. The the the we talked about this a little bit last week that it’s kind of crazy, right, that we have a head of a committee that puts out these wheels off press releases with accusations with no no basis behind them, and it kind of doesn’t make the news a lot of times.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:13

    But this is my point. My point is that the reason that the Republicans are able to dominate narratives and conversations is because they’re out there being like, put me on TV. Comer with no evidence goes on television all the time to talk about all the evidence he doesn’t have. Right, to just blow the smoke. And I’m saying that the Democrats, you can’t get, a hundred of them to be out there all the time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:34

    To be pushing the story. Like, the media, you have to you have to set the narrative. You have to set the tempo. I just I think they are living in a bygone era where they think the media just gonna like do it for them and you know what? Their stuff’s not as exciting.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:46

    They gotta make it exciting. They gotta get aggressive. They gotta have people who are validators and messengers.
  • Speaker 5
    0:09:51

    Part where I do agree with you, I I was gonna save the story time for the very end, but I will say, without betraying any confidences, I think it’ll be pretty easy to figure this out. I was at a Democratic fundraiser fundraiser. Where I met with a certain secretary in Jobain’s cabinet. We won’t say who it is, and I said to the secretary, I don’t know what it exactly your day to day looks like, you know, Maybe it could be fixing potholes. Maybe it could be looking at the hospital system.
  • Speaker 5
    0:10:15

    You guys can decide who that might have been. And that’s really important. And I’ve got some potholes on my street, but maybe there’s a better use of your skills.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:24

    Your particular talent. Your particular talents.
  • Speaker 5
    0:10:27

    Yeah. Like, you have a
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:28

    particular set of skills.
  • Speaker 5
    0:10:30

    Yeah. But maybe you
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:32

    can go on television and explain things.
  • Speaker 5
    0:10:34

    And you
  • Speaker 1
    0:10:34

    will go on television and explain everything to everybody unless you people elect Joe Biden.
  • Speaker 5
    0:10:39

    And I gotta tell you, the response is it is tepid. Their responses type. I very, again, this, you know, there’s a lot of we’re kind of doing this. There’s a lot of, oh, I don’t know. I don’t wanna step onto, you know, all well intentioned, right, all well intentioned, but there’s a tepidness about it, just about whether this is needed.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:02

    Whether it’s needed whether it’s needed. There’s just this gap to me that drives me crazy. There’s a gap between the language of boy democracy might end. Trump might be a dictator, all this stuff. And then the, like, Do we need to get out there and push hard?
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:19

    Maybe it’s a little overkill. Just waiting
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:21

    for the fourth quarter. Gonna make a, you know, everybody makes a run. They wanna make their run-in the fourth quarter. Before we move on just very quickly, I went to check-in on our friend, Andrew McCarthy, the very serious lawyer at National Review, cause I was curious as to what he had to say all this. Here, the last two stories from him.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:37

    The first is about the Trump prosecutions headline. The wages of prosecuting presidents over their official acts, you don’t have to support Trump to worry that the criminal charges against him will set a dangerous norm breaking precedent. Okay? That’s on the one hand. The other hand, he wrote about the hundred Biden stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:55

    The hundred Biden tax indictment is a disaster for the White House. So, you know. Yeah.
  • Speaker 5
    0:12:01

    It’s a norm breaking precedent to investigate Republicans, but, totally appropriate.
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:06

    Begin while president.
  • Speaker 5
    0:12:07

    Yeah. Totally appropriate. Investigate the pre setting president’s own son and For stuff
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:13

    that he did while the president himself wasn’t even president. That is okay. And that’s really important.
  • Speaker 5
    0:12:19

    And it’s as bad things about the president. Yeah. One more, thing just worth mentioning on this before we move on, about, again, just the absurdity of all this, like, to to argue that this is some deep state plot. Charlie wrote about this this morning called this is the big one in his newsletter. The short of this is Trump is saying in the Jack Smith case that he is immune from all his crimes because there’s some sort of magic presidential immunity.
  • Speaker 5
    0:12:41

    Judge Chuckin said this is nonsense. And and now, this is being appealed to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court says they’re gonna take this. So, like, this whole question of whether or not Trump has is held accountable. For what he’s doing, now sits in the hands of a Supreme Court where he appointed three of the people Right?
  • Speaker 5
    0:12:59

    And it’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:00

    still easy at two people. He didn’t appoint.
  • Speaker 5
    0:13:02

    Yeah. And still, they will be able to make the case that this is some deep state plot against Trump when four separate grand juries of regular people in four different jurisdictions decided to move it forward, and where the the most serious case against him, whether he can be held accountable on this indictment. Now that choice sits in the hands of a court where he appointed a third of the members. And yet still, there’s some democratic bias.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:27

    We really do have to move on, but I want you to explain to me, Sarah, because I know what the answer is, but I don’t know what the explanation is. Why is it that the three justices who Trump appointed should not recuse themselves on this case? Yeah. Because I think they shouldn’t probably. But on the other hand, we hear all the time from people in your focus groups about I don’t know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:50

    Because, like, it’s the Supreme Court. You pull three people off on a big important case like this. It’s, like, you have to be able to trust them somewhat, you’re legitimate. Like, I could If they were to recuse themselves, it will be fine with me, but I can also, like, see my way to saying, no, that’s a bridge too far.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:05

    This is a legal question that I know the answer to. Like, do judges when the people who appoint them, like, if you’re on a circuit court or something lower, the people who appoint them a case comes in front of them, do they recuse them Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:15

    No. It does seem to me. Right? If you were appointed by the the governor to court and the governor was charged with embezzlement for and you you the judge you would not get that case. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:26

    Well, if
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:26

    it came to you, it would not go to you.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:28

    This is
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:29

    Seems obvious to me.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:30

    Just as a last point on this, the extent to which we are just slowly walking towards multiple constitutional crises, like the if you if we spend some time mapping it out, the idea that Trump could get convicted in Georgia, which is not federal, which is a state, and also then win Georgia as part of the and, like, be sentenced to prison, but also be the president of the United States. Like, what do
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:54

    Everything breaks their way. Like, it it does feel like a rigged game.
  • Speaker 5
    0:14:58

    Okay. This is the frustrating part about all of this is that I just feel like it’s also so obvious. We’re so right. Like, why why why is why why isn’t everybody saying what we’re saying.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:08

    Just,
  • Speaker 5
    0:15:08

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    0:15:51

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  • Speaker 1
    0:16:38

    You know, Tim, I have my own secret for avoiding not feeling my best.
  • Speaker 5
    0:16:42

    What’s that?
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:43

    I just never have any good times.
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    0:16:45

    We’re fine now.
  • Speaker 5
    0:16:46

    I know.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:46

    I love how Tim’s said that it’s because people just keep giving him drinks, and so he has no agency, no agency.
  • Speaker 5
    0:16:53

    I don’t have any agency. I am very susceptible to peer pressure. Always been. It’s a weakness. It’s a personal weakness.
  • Speaker 5
    0:16:59

    I’ve worked on it through therapy. But, you know, I’m still here. Forty forty forty redacted years old.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:05

    Voting Mirzilinsky came to America and, everything went great. Republicans are not going to sign off on giving aid to Ukraine unless the house passes HR two, which is their border security bill. And unless the senate passes some undefined border security bill, which Republicans won’t actually say what it is. They say that they’re willing to to pass the Ukraine aid, provided the Democrats are good on border security, but when the Democrats have asked them to say, okay. So what is it you’d like to to do on border security, the Republicans have declined to say anything.
  • Speaker 1
    0:17:43

    That’s great. Right? This is all perfectly normal stuff that again falls right within those two forty yard lines on, on the football field of American politics. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:52

    Here’s the thing. Republicans do not want to give the Democrats a win on immigration. They don’t want to solve this problem. They want this to be a bad situation going into the next election, they’re not interested in doing it. And I have a critique of you JBL from reading your newsletter.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:06

    Read it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:07

    Great. You finally read it and you wanna
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:09

    I read it, and I’ve got and I’ve got I’ve got a problem. Like, It because your Joe Biden should cave on immigration, got some people’s backs up. Mine included, and part of it was the framing of the idea that Joe Biden should cave on immigration versus
  • Speaker 1
    0:18:24

    people to read. It’s just a headline. That’s the only place the cave appeared was in the headline. You gotta have people to click the piece, Sarah Longwell.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:30

    Well, I’m sorry. I got a few things to tell you about people and headlights. Okay. And like Okay. But but he he the idea of caving is terrible.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:38

    What he should do is make a big production out of the idea that I’m with you. Let’s let’s do something about the border guys. Let’s let’s go on offense. Let’s do it. And make them come to him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:49

    Not he’s not caving. He’s not playing on their terms. He’s gonna set the terms. And the terms are gonna be, yeah, but we need to do something about the border. What do you want?
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:56

    Let’s let’s do this all together.
  • Speaker 5
    0:18:58

    That’s taving. I’m I’m so so this is the definition of terms. I got an I defended JBL’s honor against Liam Donovan of the lobby Secret Podcast. He’s pretty good on there. And because he said this too.
  • Speaker 5
    0:19:07

    He was just like, well, what’s a cave? What do you mean cave? Like, Biden is already coming to the table at them on immigration? And I’m surprised you don’t agree, sir, because this goes to your communications question. And my response to Liam was, well, my definition of terms on caving is people that do not have a podcast specializing in lobbying are aware that that Joe Biden is giving Republicans what they want on immigration.
  • Speaker 5
    0:19:27

    That’s that’s my definition of caving. And so to me, the point is and, you know, some of this is a little bit of a semantic debate. I wish from was good on this on Charlie’s pod yesterday. I wish we could have from on to kind of work this out, but the semantic point is that I think that there are two tracks here. I think that the Biden administration in good faith is working with the senate to come up with a deal.
  • Speaker 5
    0:19:47

    Yep. Your girl Kristen Cinema seems to be the point person on that. Once again, I have to succumb to saying nice things about Kristen Cinema. So there Kristin Sinma who has some credibility with these guys. As you’ve said over and over again, Sarah, there was some point to her being so annoying so that she can gain credibility with these people.
  • Speaker 5
    0:20:04

    Well, now it’s time. Let’s let’s let’s let’s use that political capital you’ve gained from me with Republicans for being so annoying Kristen cinema. So that is that’s happening already. That track is happening. I think that there needs to be and maybe this is coming.
  • Speaker 5
    0:20:16

    Maybe this is post Zelensky. You can call it whatever word you want, but like a public clear sentiment that is Joe Biden is saying, there are some things Republicans wanna do about the border that are not the ideal democratic proposal. And I wanna meet them in the middle. Right? Like, I’ve already proposed border funding.
  • Speaker 5
    0:20:35

    They are proposing border funding plus some other stuff. I want to give them some of the stuff that they want. It because this is so important. Right? To me, that is cave like, whatever you call.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:45

    Caving sounds weak, negotiating sounds strong. Like negotiating and coming to terms.
  • Speaker 5
    0:20:51

    Okay. So this is where I think there’s a disagreement. We being the pro democracy side, I think we want to give Republicans a win on this. Let them have this one. This is a battle in a bigger war.
  • Speaker 5
    0:21:03

    The win is they can have their little immigration win in exchange for Ukraine gets funded, which is really fucking important. Israel and Taiwan get funded. They probably get funded anyway in a different context. And in exchange for now we share the border. Now we share it because we gave this to you.
  • Speaker 5
    0:21:19

    Right? Like, that is the strategic play here, which is we are giving you this win. You get it You get to go ahead and say, Hey, we have a bloody shirt. You get to have two days on the news, which is like, Hey, we’re doing some of Donald Trump’s policies on the border that these Democratic cuck squishes said was so horrible before. Now they’re giving it to us.
  • Speaker 5
    0:21:38

    Yeah. We’re giving you that bloody shirt in exchange for sharing the border, owning and and paying for Ukraine. Now is that practically possible? I don’t know. Maybe the Republicans will never do that, but and maybe the Republicans want Ukraine to lose and want the border to be chaos.
  • Speaker 5
    0:21:53

    And then the Democrats can have that argument, right, which is we we tried. We gave them what they wanted, but they wouldn’t come to the table. And now the border is chaos and Ukraine is losing to Putin. To me, that is the win win position, and getting to the win win position requires losing on this first. Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:11

    That my my real question to you guys. And I think the the the best criticism of my piece is that Biden doesn’t have control over whether or not he can cave because he can cave, but Republicans have to accept it. And it is entirely possible that even if he were to say h r two. Done. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:31

    I’m gonna I’m just gonna swallow all of h r two no matter how mad it makes my base. Senate Republicans could still just decline. Right? And I don’t think they pay any price for it. I think the person who gets hurt on this is is Biden.
  • Speaker 1
    0:22:45

    So That’s I mean, it is possible that no matter how hard he tries to cave, the Republicans won’t take it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:22:52

    Yeah. But I do think this creates a lose, lose, where the oppression is now that Joe Biden, you know, didn’t negotiate well enough or didn’t give them what they wanted when actually and and I do think he should give them what they want. And and I guess the one thing that I think is compelling about the case Tim’s making, although he didn’t quite say this, is the idea of like, if Joe Biden needs to cave in order to make it clear to his left flank that he didn’t wanna do this. I can sort of see it. But to me, like, you wanna be in the sort of trump seat of being like, no, I’m a master negotiator and I I’m I’m I’m gonna give you guys we’re gonna meet in the middle.
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:30

    I’m gonna give you guys a bunch of this stuff. You’re gonna give me what I want, which is to protect Ukraine, and like, I’m a deal maker. And I don’t say see.
  • Speaker 5
    0:23:36

    But Trump didn’t cut any deal. That doesn’t work. That what you’re what you’re pitching is what
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:41

    you’re pitching
  • Speaker 5
    0:23:41

    is no. What you’re pitching is ending with nothing. If Biden comes if Biden comes from the alpha position, of, I’m the master dealmaker. Republicans come to the table. Republicans say, fuck you.
  • Speaker 5
    0:23:53

    And so the border stays how it is, and Ukraine loses. So the choice is to give Republicans what they want or to not fund Ukraine. Those are the choices on it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:03

    Like, optically, he has to look weak in order to give a public. I mean, I I just think he can say. Okay. Well, I’m not sure he has to take that hard and l on it. I think it can be a win win.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:13

    I think the problem is fundamentally and not much maybe closer to JBO on on this, which is I don’t think the Republicans have any interest. No matter what, whether it’s caving, whether it’s negotiating, I just don’t think they wanna play because they want chaos at the border because they know that’s hurting Joe Biden, and is hurting Joe Biden right now?
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:32

    If I could be incredibly darkly cynical, Republicans have a political interest not only in the border, being chaotic, but also in Ukraine losing. And if they are able to hold tough and prevent the needed aid to Ukraine, and things go badly in Ukraine, that’s bad for Biden politically.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:54

    I actually agree. I think that they are so
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:55

    I just think all of their interests are aligned.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:58

    I no longer will defend them on the merits. Like, I think they would rather not give Ukraine aid because it’s also a base issue. Right? They don’t want that. And I think they want chaos at the border.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:10

    And I don’t think that they care about like the practical effects of either of those things. Because they think it’s electorally in their interest.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:18

    And they’re right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:19

    Okay. They are right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:20

    They’re Maybe
  • Speaker 5
    0:25:21

    you guys are right. So this has been my my problem with the people that are criticizing, that, you know, in bright view. There are other people who are respect, Eric Sargent, who are like, Biden shouldn’t give the republicans what they want. Biden’s already making a good deal. What I’m trying to say is true.
  • Speaker 5
    0:25:35

    I agree. But I know it has already made a good offer. He he offered a ton of money for the border initially, and he’s offered some asylum changes. So he has made a good offer in the old school version of politics of horse trading, blah blah blah. That’s not what we are.
  • Speaker 5
    0:25:50

    And so I’m sitting here in the chair of, like, there are a lot of important things out there in the world, but I think the Ukraine thing is really, really, really important. Really fucking important. Getting them the money. And we’re me and Bill were talking about this last night. And if we get to a situation where this gets delayed and delayed because Democrats are like, oh, we have the moral high ground on this and we’re sniffing our own and like everyone here knows that we’ve made a good offer and it’s the Republicans that are bad faith.
  • Speaker 5
    0:26:15

    Like, okay. You can say that. Like, you can have the moral high ground here and say we’ve made a good offer. The Republicans are bad faith. Now we’re gonna take that argument to next November.
  • Speaker 5
    0:26:25

    But that is a path for nothing changing on the border and for Ukraine not having absolutely needed weapons and resources and other material. Like, that’s a path for it because the because taking the moral high ground and saying we’ve already done we’ve already done what people are suggesting we do as a path to stalemate. Republicans are happy with stalemate. I’m deeply concerned about this and and I just and I think that Bill’s point last night was, like, the longer we wait. If trump’s the nominee, this thing is over.
  • Speaker 5
    0:26:54

    Like, this thing is over. They, like, the the Republicans are definitely not dealing once Trump’s the nominee. Because whenever deal they come to the yeah. Because whatever deal Biden comes to the table with, Trump will say it’s a bad deal.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:04

    He’ll kill them.
  • Speaker 5
    0:27:05

    So so they’ve got six weeks. Four weeks, whatever, six weeks to figure this out before New Hampshire. And I don’t think they’re going to, and this goes back to my my which I I’m the most full throated person in the case for caving, which is like, I I I to me, it looks like the options on the table are doing everything possible to get Republicans to swallow this right now, which means giving them things we don’t like, or getting nothing.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:29

    You know what? We’re not even gonna amend it. HR two. Done.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:32

    Yeah. But this is where Joe Biden needs to, like, go out publicly, he needs to stand up at a podium and say nothing is more important right now to the stability of the world than Ukraine defeating Putin. And we need this aid. Zelensky came and he asked for it. And so I am willing to, in this moment, give Republicans what they want on the border.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:53

    Anyway, I I just think there’s this way you can do this from a position of strength. Like, the this is the thing that drives me crazy is that people assume that the average American has any sense of what these negotiations are like and who gets the blame for it. And the answer is like always the person in charge because they’re not paying attention. So Joe Biden has a vested interest of like elevating this and making it clear that he wants to give them what they want is part of this deal because the stakes are so high.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:19

    Alright, Sarah, before we get off of this, you had a JD Vance thing you wanted to do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:22

    So, you know, I think a lot about what does it look like post trumps? Let’s say Trump does. We know the Republican party’s bad. But who really carries it forward? And JD Vance, so he walked out of the Zelensky meeting yesterday.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:35

    He is figured out how to basically the the extent to which he is an isolationist now in a way where he knows how to take every single thing. We can’t support Ukraine. We need to secure our border. You know, we can’t trade with these guys. We have to like, I actually think JD Vance more and more is the cynical, disgusting, future of the Republican Party.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:56

    He wanted to be famous. He wanted to be he has these delusions of grandeur. His whole life story is about than being in this place where he thinks now he tells himself, he’s fighting for the little guy, and he’s fighting for the American people who got left behind. It’s a thread. You can see the thread from his hillbilly allergy days.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:14

    And the way he has convinced himself to do that is we abandon our democratic allies abroad, not just abandon them. But we make a moral case that doing anything for them is leaving Americans behind. And I think he is the future, and I hate that future.
  • Speaker 5
    0:29:26

    This is sick. I agree with that. And, I’m
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:29

    gonna say it right now. I said it at the time, and you guys disagreed with me. I’m gonna say it again. American was better off if Josh Mandell had won that primary.
  • Speaker 5
    0:29:37

    I agree with that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:38

    Yeah. I’m not sure in retrospect. That’s not true. Yeah.
  • Speaker 5
    0:29:40

    JBL is always right. I agree with JD Vance is sick. I would say this one closing thing on the Biden thing. Even on this podcast where everybody is always right. We’ve underestimated maybe not Sarah even though Sarah’s gonna underestimate me now.
  • Speaker 5
    0:29:51

    The ability of the Senate to work things out with Joe Biden. They’ve worked shit out at the last second a few times, and I’m I’m just I’m hoping that it happens again sometime before Donald Trump, Winston, New Hampshire.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:04

    We’ve got a case going on in Texas. I hate talking about abortion on on this show because there is no way to come out of these conversations without feeling terrible, because it’s horrible. Here’s what’s going on. I’m gonna give you guys the the fifteen second version for anybody who has not been following the story of Kate Cox. Kate Cox is thirty one.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:24

    She’s got two kids. She was about twenty weeks pregnant and started having complications. She showed up the emergency room to see what was going on. Did testing. It turned out that her baby has trisomy eighteen, otherwise known as Edward syndrome.
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:39

    This is a condition which almost always results in stillbirth when babies do survive birth, fewer than one in ten make it to their first birthday. There are the occasional examples of these kids living a little bit longer than that, but it’s it’s very, very bad because Kate Cox has already had from our first two kids, c sections, this puts her at all sorts of elevated risks with, c sections and increased age. She wants to have an abortion of this kid because it’s a life threatening be as important to her, it threatens her future ability to have babies. Because at already having had two c sections carrying a stillbirth to term could make it very, very hard for her to ever have kids again. No doctors in Texas will perform an abortion because of the law in Texas.
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:28

    She goes to Texas District Court, the District Court, allows an abortion to proceed for her in the attorney general, Texas, Ken Pxton. He is so hot to prevent her from terminating this pregnancy. That he has this escalated to the Texas Supreme Court
  • Speaker 3
    0:31:44

    where the nine Republicans on the Texas
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:44

    Supreme Court vote to overturned the district court and prevent her from having an abortion. As I said, this is a horrible story. There are no good things in it. But holy shit. I mean, the the takeaway from this is if you have a serious medical condition in the state of Texas, The only way to, get an abortion of what is going to be a horrible pregnancy that could possibly endanger life and her ability to have kids is to get the Texas Supreme Court to personally sign off on your situation.
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:23

    And I don’t understand why that is tenable as a political matter. Like, we can leave the moral stuff aside. We can even leave the legal stuff aside. Right? Just put aside whatever your personal more like what should be or shouldn’t be based upon all the polling we’ve seen for like twenty years on this stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:43

    I don’t understand how politically that is a sustainable position. Thoughts?
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:49

    Yeah. So I have a number of thoughts let’s talk about the politics of it. So there’s a, we actually, we probably should have talked about some of the polling that’s come out this week. We’ve had a bad polling week, meaning that it’s a week of polls that are bad for Joe Biden, they’re good for Donald Trump. And one of the polls had that I I I have a difficult time.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:06

    This was a CNN poll. Had Trump beating Biden by ten points in Michigan. Now that doesn’t sound right to me, but part of the reason it doesn’t sound right is that Gretchen Whitmer just beat Tutor Dixon in Michigan. The the Republican candidate by ten points. So that would mean there would be a twenty point swing in the people voting there in Michigan.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:26

    So, okay. Now one of the main reasons talked about this a lot in twenty twenty two doing the focus groups that voters voted for Gretchen Whitmer over Tudor Dixon is Tudor Dixon was one of the people who said that she thought this twelve year old, rape victim should have to carry a baby to term. And people were like, yeah, no. And that was it for them with Tudor Dixon. Like, she said that and it was over.
  • Speaker 2
    0:33:51

    And even people who were frustrated with Gretchen Whitmer, They had complaints about how she handled COVID, she hadn’t fixed the potholes. They were absolutely a no on Tudor Dixon. And I think that one of the things Republicans, you know, when people say abortion’s gonna be an issue, I think what the don’t realize is coming is hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands of stories like this one, where there is a tragic situation, either of rape or of a terrible medical complication where the life of the mother is under deep threat, where you are forcing people into the saddest situation where Republicans who can believe in limited government. Right? Like, where what the stories will do.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:34

    It’s not the issue of abortion. The stories will remind people of the immense amount of state power that Republicans are now exercising over people’s personal medical decisions and they will tell these stories and for women especially, like part of this story, I think about the idea of something happening just to me. And the idea of having to clear it, not just with the Texas legislature, but with a corrupt POS like Ken paxton, who’s been indicted multiple times and been let off and he is now in charge of a complicated medical decision for this woman. Like, it does It is the kind of thing that instills the sense of urgency and anger and fear that drives people to the polls and drives them to vote against politicians who would support these types of things.
  • Speaker 5
    0:35:20

    Yeah. I’m gonna reject your offer to not talk about the moral implications about this JBL because I just I do think it’s important to just give my perspective on this because I look at colors of my political, analysis. And I I just I don’t know what the point of all this is. If I if I cannot say that I fundamentally believe that every human life has value and and and I have a good friend that has a kid that has, Minkus, which is not similar to Edwards in in the science of it, but it’s similar in the, you know, with the likelihood of survival and, you know, how long the kid is supposed to live and development and all that. And, you know, he’s a sweet boy, but, you know, his life is gonna be his life is not great.
  • Speaker 5
    0:36:01

    You know, his life is full of pain, and he’s lucky that his parents that are wealthy and that can, you know, do as well everything possible to keep that kid in comfort. That is not true for everybody. Right? And this is where I get to the fundamental pro life of it all. Right?
  • Speaker 5
    0:36:19

    It’s like if Ken Paxton was out there saying, I just so deeply believe in the dignity of every human life that, like, I’m sorry, but this fell past the next week. Lines. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
  • Speaker 5
    0:36:33

    It’s six weeks there. So that’s when we where I would put it. I just mean in a in a hypothetical world. Right? Right.
  • Speaker 5
    0:36:38

    This is what? Twenty one weeks or twenty Yeah. You know, and so it’s all past the twenty week line. Let’s say that they had agreed on a twenty week ban. And we don’t know what’s gonna happen and and this kit and, you know, there’s still gonna be value in this life.
  • Speaker 5
    0:36:52

    This child is gonna have a hard life and we’re gonna be there. Like, we’re gonna make sure that there is nursing care for the child, etcetera, etcetera. Even then, I understand the anger in Sarah’s face of being like Ken Pxton is gonna be involved with this at all. Even then, I I understand that this is very complicated, but, like, that’s not what’s happening. Oh.
  • Speaker 5
    0:37:13

    Right? Like, there is no indication here that the nine Supreme Court justices or the, of Texas or Ken Pxton give a fuck about what happens to Kate Cox or what happens to this child after the forced birth. And, like, that is where this whole thing crumbles for me. On a moral level. And I I think that that it’s separate from the political question.
  • Speaker 5
    0:37:37

    You know, this is a woman that wants to have another kid and and I think fun, you know, is seems like it would be unable to. You know, given various stuff that I don’t really understand about uteruses. And that’s what that is where I’m like most sympathetic to this. Like, this is a complicated choice. This is a choice between the woman and her doctor.
  • Speaker 5
    0:37:55

    She has other aspirations to have children. This is not like you know, kermit whatever his name is in in Philadelphia. I mean, it’s not, you know, it’s not one of those cases, you know. And I I just think fundamentally Like, the argument is being lost by the pro life side, because insert like, I am the swing voter in this case. I’m putting myself in like you need to win me over that these laws exist because you care so deeply about human life.
  • Speaker 5
    0:38:24

    Because I care deeply about human life, and I and and you’ve lost me. Right? Like, by the way that you’ve treated her, by the lack of support for women post birth, And so here we are. And so now I think you end up in a situation where if you’ve lost that argument with me, you’re definitely losing it with the secular swing voters that we’ve talked about a bunch here, you know, the Tudor Dixen did not do well with the secular trump voters who are not on board with this who have come who came on board for all these other reasons with Trump. And you’re definitely motivating young women and other and suburban women and other other people.
  • Speaker 5
    0:39:00

    And so I that’s where to me it ends up being a loser on all on all accounts. This
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:04

    is worth saying. Ken Patson could have just accepted the District Court ruling. Right? That’s the other thing. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:13

    If you if you’re in Texas and you want the law, like, you could You could just leave the law in place and the district court rolled what it caught and you just there is a a weird maliciousness to Like, no. No. We’re gonna go with the extra mile here to see if we can appeal the decision and get it. But here I I bring that up because I wanna juxtaposed this with a piece that’s important to go today about Kelly Ann Conway and Heather Higgins. Most people know Kelly Ann Conway.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:38

    Most people don’t know Heather Higgins Heather Higgins is a rich woman who, because she has a lot of money, is considered an intellectual and republican circle. And they are going around the hill to Republicans saying that’s very important Republicans start talking about contraception instead of abortion. Because if they would only just talk about how great contraception is, that’s a that’s a winning message for them. In Heather Higgins, this is what she says. Republicans are like your uncle who really loves you and loves the women and his family, but he’s bad about showing it.
  • Speaker 1
    0:40:13

    It’s just not in their natural vocabulary, and we’re trying to help them learn how to make this be more part of their vocabulary. That’s what it is. Ken Jackson is just like your uncle who just loves all the women in his family, and he’s bad at showing him. That’s all.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:29

    Well, they’re bringing in the cavalry here because they know they got a real big political loser on their hands. I got news for Kelly and Conway. It’s that go ahead, make contraception an issue because what you’re gonna get is a bunch of Republicans are actually like, actually, I don’t think so great about contraception either. And actually, I would like to remind people what an absolute cave person I am. And, I think it’s not gonna go well.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:52

    Every time when I start to look at these polls, as I do, and I’m I’m a I’m sanguine about the polls, in a lot of ways because I listen to voters all the time, and I I have a strong sense right now that when push comes to shove, you know, without the third party option and things like that, Joe Biden is still All the hands still go up for him. So I don’t need to sit and unskew all of them. I just think they’re they’re snapshots in time and people should people should do the work. There should be more urgency, but also this, like, obsession with them is not good. But I do I when I when I do start to be like, oh, these numbers are super bad.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:26

    I do think about the ability to tell these stories and abortion and how viscerally women, especially, but but I think folks in general feel about this.
  • Speaker 5
    0:41:35

    Can I just give you one sentence on the contraception, please? And then you can move on to whatever you want to. It’s just something people might have forgot. As as a really smart vote that, Mike Kevin held. Just last week, one hundred and ninety five house Republicans voted against the right to contraception act, and now they’ve blocked action in the Senate as well.
  • Speaker 5
    0:41:55

    So that was, let’s see here. July twenty twenty to last July. So, Kelly Ann’s a little late. She she needed to she needed to make her trip down there about twenty months ago and and stop them for voting against the right to contraception anyway.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:08

    Yeah. That’s a good
  • Speaker 5
    0:42:09

    one good
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:09

    one person adds. Well, I just we didn’t even talk about we didn’t even think about having as the topics. Like, the seltzer poll that came out Iowa. And I wanna bring it up just because I think this is a good one for Tim, where now that people have dropped out, right? And so that just so you know, Anne seltzer there in Iowa.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:25

    She’s the gold standard pollster. She is the one who knew, what did she get right last time that everybody else got wrong.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:32

    She saw Santorum surging. No. No. No. No.
  • Speaker 5
    0:42:35

    Last time, it was her it was her poll in twenty that came out the weekend before twenty twenty that was like, actually, this is gonna be close. Yeah. Like, you know, it was it was actually this is gonna be it was when people were feeling starting to feel a little confident about Biden, right, towards the end, and her poll came out on Thursday or Friday. It’s kinda
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:52

    like She’s a hundred percent
  • Speaker 5
    0:42:53

    off. Yeah. Nope. Actually, it’s gonna be close.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:55

    So she just put out a new poll, and I always wait for her polls out of Iowa. And now that we’ve had more consolidation in the field, Donald Trump has gained eight points. Ron DeSantis, hot off of his Kim Reynolds endorsement, got three points Nicky Haley stayed exactly the same. And Vivick is down there with nothing same with Chris Christie. Donald Trump is up now.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:15

    The eight points in remember what that put him at, but it was certainly above fifty percent.
  • Speaker 1
    0:43:19

    Fifty one.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:20

    Look. The Nikki what I want the Nikki boom as badly as anybody. But Trump is over fifty percent in Iowa, and this isn’t some, like, rube off the street pole. So I think people need to That’s why this is why with the Biden stuff, I mean, I have a it’s just I think that people need to kick it into gear. Like, we’re doing this thing and we gotta get ready.
  • Speaker 5
    0:43:41

    Yeah. Well, consolidation has helped Trump. I don’t know if you’ve heard anybody say that before. It is somebody on this podcast saying that for about a year now. And, and I I did a whole separate.
  • Speaker 5
    0:43:53

    I we have a YouTube page now. I do separate little short takes. And if you just wanna hear me rant about how consolidation is helping Trump, I did one of those on YouTube, and it’s nice. We love our quote. We love our home team.
  • Speaker 5
    0:44:05

    The YouTube comments are not they’re not as nice as you people because we’re out there in the wild west and a lot of strangers are out there, but that’s a good thing because we’re reaching we’re we’re reaching new folks. So, Yeah. Consolidation is helping Trump, and, I I started to get this week was the week. I will look at the December eleventh week when I started to receive texts from people. They’re like, this is happening.
  • Speaker 5
    0:44:27

    Like, this is really happening. I get sinking in. It’s starting to sink in out there that it’s, like,
  • Speaker 1
    0:44:32

    it’s really cool. Who are civilians or people Civilians.
  • Speaker 5
    0:44:35

    I I I so so these two that that I’m thinking of are are pretty engaged civilians. But not like not like weekly next level podcast listeners level engaged. Like kind of engaged. Right? And so we’re moving slowly.
  • Speaker 5
    0:44:48

    The concentric circles are moving slowly out. And eventually, like, my high school buddies that don’t watch the news are gonna start texting me and be like, it’s really trump again. And so, you know, people are starting to get nervous we’ve moved one concentric circle out this week, I think.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:04

    That’s great. Well, I had something great to talk about Trump NFTs, but we are out of time. So I’m gonna save that for
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:11

    Can I tell you about the White House Christmas party? We have one minute.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:14

    I think we may have to get Sarah out of here first. No?
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:17

    Sarah, do you wanna hear about it?
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:18

    Hurry. You just
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:19

    wanna hear about it? Okay. I did get to meet Joe Biden this last week. And I don’t wanna admit it wasn’t anything special. Wasn’t a private briefing.
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:26

    Was I was in a line. It was a cattle call line of people. We’re going through getting our Christmas party picture.
  • Speaker 1
    0:45:31

    And I’ll tell you this.
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:32

    You’re supposed to go up there. Hold your hands by your side. Get the picture, move on, brief greeting, Merry Christmas, mister president, move on. I did not do that. I went up to Joe Biden, and I did this is Sarah’s right about this where she She said maybe I was maybe a little disingenuous when I told Carrie, like, to stop touching me because I do like to touch people.
  • Speaker 5
    0:45:49

    And I just grabbed Joe Biden by the arms. Just both arms, and I was just like, mister president, god love you. We are keeping you in here. Oh, like, I need I need stand that. I was like, we are not letting that other guy get in here.
  • Speaker 5
    0:46:03

    We are gonna keep you in here. And I just, like, had a forty second out of body experience where I just like, held him up. And I just, like, sent all of the energy in my body, into his body, and then I grabbed one to Jill’s two hands, you know, like, god love you. You gotta keep him. We gotta keep him in here.
  • Speaker 5
    0:46:20

    We are gonna do this, and the people in the picture line are like, what has happened? I like, they’re like, please, sir. Please turn around. Sir, police are, and Tyler is, like, standing there. He’s waiting for his picture.
  • Speaker 5
    0:46:31

    And I and and I was I received the picture this week. I was happy when it came out because I thought it might be everyone looking at the camera up me staring at Joe, but I I must have turned around for one second right before the camera took. So I did everything I could in the energy space. Now we probably gonna move into the at yeah. The chakras.
  • Speaker 5
    0:46:48

    In the chakras. I did everything and I could do in the chakras. Now we’re gonna move into the actual work part of things. Merry Christmas.
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:55

    Merry Christmas to everybody, we will probably do this next week.
  • Speaker 5
    0:46:58

    We’re doing
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:58

    this actually. Definitely show up on Friday because, I’ve got some hot Trump n f t talk for Sarah Longwell.
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