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Yes, Presidents Can Commit Crimes

January 10, 2024
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The Iowa caucus, and potentially the end to the entire 2024 primary season, is almost here. What are the campaigns doing in the final days? Plus, Donald Trump says he wants the economy to crash while Joe Biden is president. He also claims a president has complete immunity from all crimes.

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  • Speaker 1
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    Hello, everyone. Welcome to the next level. I’m J VL, here with my best friends. Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark. Guys, lot going on.
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    We are just days away from the Iowa caucuses and no one knows what’s gonna happen because in politics, four days is a lifetime. It’s an eternity. Anything could happen. We this is it’s all gonna come down to turnout. And we we just don’t know what’s gonna happen And then after that to
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    move away from these polls and the punditry, and the people will get out there.
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    Their real voting. That’s right. The people.
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    God.
  • Speaker 1
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    I love the people. The people are the best. But we have some some actual developments happening, including just moments ago, a CNN poll showing
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    New Hampshire.
  • Speaker 1
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    Very, very tight as a tick. Sarah, would you like to I want you to return to some some Hopium and, this is two polls now showing Nikki Haley very close in New Hampshire.
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    Talking about. Number one thing Chris Christie’s gotta drop out for Nikki Haley to win New Hampshire. You guys will remember in my twenty twenty four predictions.
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    I do I give the state
  • Speaker 4
    0:01:19

    to Nikki. I think she can do it. I think that she can win New Hampshire. The question then becomes, and I also think she’ll come in second in Iowa. I think she’s gonna come in, just in front of DeSantis, and she’ll go into New Hampshire with a little bit of momentum.
  • Speaker 4
    0:01:33

    And certainly a lot of media buzz around her. The thing about New Hampshire, though, is that it is I can’t remember what the actual percentage of undeclared voters is, but it’s like forty percent. Like, her margins are meet being made up by a kind of voter that does not exist in the other states. She does need Christie to drop out. I think in order to actually beat Trump, she needs his roughly fifteen percent.
  • Speaker 4
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    They’re splitting up some of those undeclared voters. And so, yeah, I don’t know whether Christy would drop out. I wonder if this I’m sure his phone is ringing off the hook today with this new CNN pull demanding that he drop out. So that Nikki can can get this momentum. But here’s the thing.
  • Speaker 4
    0:02:12

    The Nikki case rests on one very specific a way of being, like, which is in two thousand eight, Barack Obama, beat Hillary Clinton in Iowa. That demonstrated that she was not inevitable. And the whole party moved to him. You may remember in twenty twenty Joe Biden one South Sarah Longwell. And a bunch of people dropped out endorsed him whole party move so this is our die.
  • Speaker 4
    0:02:38

    And so it rests on this theory that the Republican party is like the Democratic party, where Nikki will disrupt the narrative that Donald Trump can’t be beaten that the party will move to her en masse and say, okay. This is our person.
  • Speaker 1
    0:02:54

    Because they want normal. They want somebody who do who takes a confederate flag down. They want somebody who’s not gonna call people Verman and who has sympathy for undocumented migrants who come here seeking seeking asylum and right? Is that that’s what they want?
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    Is that what you hear in your focus groups? You come to these voters all
  • Speaker 1
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    the time, Sarah Longwell
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    0:03:14

    is where I think the theory falls apart because when she, when she when she goes into her home state, With expectations, Diane, Donald Trump wins by thirty points at a place where she has a hundred percent name ID, I think that’s probably where the race all, but that’s where the Hopium comes It’s gonna
  • Speaker 2
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    poke some holes in the Hopium. Yeah. I was on with your friend with Ayers on NPR today.
  • Speaker 4
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    Oh, I love it.
  • Speaker 2
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    And just sweet with Ares. Oh, sweet witch. Yeah. And, you know, they had us on to do the, you know, dire. Donald Trump is inevitable.
  • Speaker 2
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    Tim deck and the wit hoping, you know, back and forth. And god love him. And he just he gave a Republican example similar to yours, kind of Sarah on the Democrat Hi. He went all the way back to the glory days of nineteen ninety nine, early two thousand, and how John McCain, George Bush, everyone had said George Bush had wrapped it up and John McCain surged in New Hampshire to a eighteen point win and changed the narrative and quickly as what was talking out pulled up the map again for two thousand or fresh my memory. And I was like, Java Cain ended up only winning states where people have a New England which I hear you’ve been trying on in your in some of Secret Podcast lately, Sarah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:24

    If you have a New England accent or Arizona, like, any one one other state that also had independence. And I can’t end up winning six states, which would be, I think, amazing. A miracle. I mean, a miracle for Haley to get sick. So, like, even in your best scenario, twenty five, a quarter century out of date where the main where the main protagonist is now dead, RIP.
  • Speaker 2
    0:04:45

    Like, even still it isn’t a path to victory. So I don’t, you know, to me, the most interesting thing about Island five days is just how dead it is. And and, like, the media doesn’t know how to handle. Nobody really knows how to handle. Like, I’m on TV and and you’re kinda we’re kinda doing this pretend thing where it sort of it feels like, you know, high school circuit team, you know, in high school, remember when you had to be back.
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    0:05:05

    Like, there’s gonna be no day on Thursday. I don’t know. Did you guys have an AV team in high school and you had a fake reporter out there doing things? Like, it feels like that. And and nobody’s even going.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:15

    I had a friend of somebody that called me this morning that said, hey, I’m trying to put together a group in Iowa. Like, do you, you know, could you point you to some people who are going and I texted around her? He’s like, why would I go to fucking Iowa? It’s freezing. The campaign’s over.
  • Speaker 2
    0:05:30

    So, you know, it’s just it’s very it doesn’t feel like I don’t have the little little butterflies in my belly. Like, I so, like, as a political junky, like, I use two days before the first caucus.
  • Speaker 1
    0:05:41

    Another problem here is that, shortly after Iowa, tiny d is probably gonna get out his eleven percent Probably mostly goes to Trump. Vivelache will have to get out. His seven percent will go to Trump. Right? So it’s I mean, Haley’s not the only one who has room to grow here.
  • Speaker 4
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    I mean,
  • Speaker 1
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    that’s the other problem. I mean, Trump actually has much more room to grow as the field consolidates than she does.
  • Speaker 4
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    Yeah. The other thing, you know, just about the Haley play that’s interesting is Haley is able to find herself Elaine a in open primary states with lots of undeclared. But also in part because DeSantis is in the race. Right? The it’s he’s not splitting with Trump because Trump’s lead is so much so disproportionate, but, like, If if let’s just say something happened to Trump.
  • Speaker 4
    0:06:28

    K? The big thing. It’s not like the party then turns around. It was Nikki is in second place, and take her. Like, it would go to DeSantis as much as they don’t, like, find him.
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    Like, he is much closer
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    to For the junior or Vivic.
  • Speaker 4
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    Well, I’m gonna say if if you went to somebody who was in in right now, it would go to, to DeSantis. Like, I’m just saying, like, Nikki, there’s not a For Nicki to win, this is the problem is, like, I can explain to people all day long what the path is. Like, let me tell you about the narrow path. Here’s the theory of the case for the Nikki Bulls and whatever. But I can’t in good conscience ever tell you that she could win this thing because as much as I wanted to, because it would defy everything I know about Republican voters after four years of listening them week in and week out, which is that they don’t want somebody like Nikki Haley.
  • Speaker 4
    0:07:16

    They tell me that all the time. So unless unless I have after all of these years of listening to people totally been like, nope. There’s I’m wrong. There’s a revealed preference that it’s gonna come out, and I’m gonna go for Nikki. No.
  • Speaker 4
    0:07:30

    That’s not what they say. They wanna move on. They want a Make America great again candidate. They want a America first candidate. They want somebody in the vein of Trump.
  • Speaker 4
    0:07:38

    They don’t like these know, when people talk about making the focus groups, I know I’ve talked to you guys about this, but they always say like, I don’t trust her. She’s establishment. She’d be a corporate And you know what else they say? I’ve said this. I might have said this on this pod.
  • Speaker 4
    0:07:48

    So sorry if I have, but they always say, I don’t hate her. Like, there’s this big I don’t hate her. Which is like why her favorables are still okay. They don’t hate her. This is what she gets.
  • Speaker 4
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    Unlike Chris Christie. It’s what she gets for not going hard at Trump. She gets there not hate, but she doesn’t get their liking, their affirmative, like Do
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:09

    they think that she’s eligible to be president or vice president because earlier earlier in the day, somebody on the truths pointed out that according to noted legal scholar,
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    blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:08:24

    Because Nikki Haley’s parents were not born in the United States, Under the rules in the twelfth amendment, she is not eligible to serve. This is like a a flat misreading.
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    0:08:36

    I’m sorry. I know that you do not want to give credit to. Is it is is oh, is it too late, to to put it up on the YouTube screen, a picture? Here’s of maybe everyone should Google Google it. Noted legal scholar.
  • Speaker 2
    0:08:50

    Paul Ingrassia. Paul in Gracia, Cor graduate Cornell law. That’s not nothing. J. V.
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    0:08:56

    I actually you didn’t get a tell. What what was your l stat again?
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    One seventy two.
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    One seventy two. I know
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:01

    you got that cut from the intro. We have
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:02

    heard about that way. That got cut from another episode. So I wanna give you another chance. I’m I don’t know what Paul and Gracia got on the l stat, but I can tell you what Yuri graduated from Cornell. Any guesses?
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    Sixty seven.
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    Twenty twenty two, other way around. Earlier. Twenty twenty two. Yeah. He’s child.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:19

    He’s got nine little bow tie on here. And, he is the off self described author of president Trump’s favorite sub stack. Somehow, I find it hard to believe that President Trump has a list of favorite sub stacks, but he
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    Big reader.
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    Yeah. He
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:31

    is Love his newsletters. He can’t wait to get the newsletters in his inbox every day.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:35

    Consumer. Newsletters just like Sarah Longwell so Paul Ingrassia is the one that said that. Yeah. His his theory, I guess, the case was that Nikki’s parents were not did not I don’t know. You know, a lot
  • Speaker 1
    0:09:48

    of people. In America. Exactly. And so your parents have to be born in America not that you have to be born in America.
  • Speaker 2
    0:09:55

    Parents were Will Saletan maybe shen’t file under birthright. There is the birthright citizenship. I’m not a constitutional scholar. George Conway as me. That’s me a question for him.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:03

    Next time Sarah gets to talk to him, but Paul and Grac, birthright citizenship doesn’t qualify for Nikki, but maybe does this show that Trump is quaking in his boots? I saw a tweet from a Nikki fan saying that Trump is quaking.
  • Speaker 4
    0:10:16

    You know, I don’t think he’s quaking. I do think he’s taking Nikki a little seriously. Like, they’re dropping money on her now. Like, they did for DeSantis like, eight months ago or whenever they were trying to put him to bed. Because part of it is, I I think Trump doesn’t just want to win this primary.
  • Speaker 4
    0:10:32

    Trump wants to destroy all of them in this primary. And I think that they are right. Yeah. And I think right now he’s thinking, like, her negatives could go higher. Let me let me let me do something about that.
  • Speaker 4
    0:10:45

    And and I so I don’t think he’s quaking. I don’t think he thinks But I I do think he is gonna make sure he shuts off any avenue for them to get any oxygen whatsoever. He wants to just demolish them in this.
  • Speaker 2
    0:10:56

    For sure. And it’s the craziest thing. It’s another thing that gives this whole caucus kind of an element of like pretend play, like, when the other candidate, like, it’s not a real campaign because There is no other analog to this. And I remember I was talking with our friend, Dave Cottul, in Iowa about this, about, like, the frustrating part about the Iowa campaign, right, which is like, There’s you cannot think of any other example in any other context, presidential governor, house, state legislature, where there’d be one candidate who is leading. It bit by a lot.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:26

    And their message targeting their opponents is you are ineligible. You are subhuman. Your parents are not even American. You know, you are you are dropping like a bird. You are sanctimonious.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:39

    You know, you are tie you have a tiny penis Right? And then there the people who are losing their counter attack back is, like, sir, chaos follows you.
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    0:11:49

    And I promise I’ll endorse.
  • Speaker 2
    0:11:51

    And I think you were the right man for the right time, but maybe right now. Maybe you’re tech troll that have caused problems. You know,
  • Speaker 1
    0:11:58

    and you’re innocent of all these phony charges against you.
  • Speaker 4
    0:12:01

    And I’ll pardon you when I when I’m friends, you don’t work. And I just say, you know, I gotta say something about this passive voice that she uses the chaos. She goes rightly or wrongly. Chaos follows him. You all know what I’m talking about.
  • Speaker 4
    0:12:13

    Like, this is part of her stump. Rately, Ronley Chaos follows him. Just out of nowhere. Why could it how could it be following him? What does
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:21

    this mean?
  • Speaker 1
    0:12:21

    Is this chaos that guy from the Allstate commercials?
  • Speaker 4
    0:12:24

    I can be causing it to follow him around. And I just can’t even it defies logic.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:30

    Who is that for, by the way? Who is that even? Like, honestly, it’d be better just to not criticize him. Who is that for? Like the this whole thing that chaos to Don’t.
  • Speaker 2
    0:12:40

    Yeah.
  • Speaker 4
    0:12:41

    No. I mean, it’s for the people who are in there to see him where she’s like, look, I’m I’m because you’ve seen her do this thing where she’s like, The media really wants me to criticize Trump. Well, I’m not gonna do that. And people clap. They were like, yeah, because this shouldn’t be a a mud slinging situation against each other.
  • Speaker 4
    0:12:55

    We’re all on the same team. And you know, they’re just there to get a taste of Nikki. They’re a little Nikki curious. They wanna see her. And so they wanna make sure she’s not dinging the big guy, but, you know, hear what she’s all about and That’s that’s what she’s doing right now.
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:07

    It’s so weird that the people clap though because they don’t clap the other way. It’s not like Trump’s, like, out there, like, the me the mainstream media. Maggie Haberman wants me to attack Nikki, but I’m not gonna do it. Like, like, it would be an insane thing to hear from. So They
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:19

    love it when you
  • Speaker 2
    0:13:20

    enable them. Yeah. Alright.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:21

    Yeah. I got a buddy in Tennessee who, this weekend, had door knocks from the Americans for prosperity. On behalf of Nikki, in Tennessee, and they gave him a bunch of glossy literature, which has no message behind it behind, like, Niki Haley is a good person. With a look at this picture of Nikki Haley Good compassion, conservative good. And he’s like But there is zero percent chance that she will be in the race when Tennessee does its primary.
  • Speaker 1
    0:13:58

    Like, how what is Americans for prosperity spending money for doorknocks in Tennessee? On Nikki Haley right now. It is, as as you have written for us Tim, like three different times, you might as well set your money on fire or give it to a food bank or something. This is it’s a stunning waste of resources.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:18

    Maybe they’re also giving to who food banks. I hope so. It is confusing. It is it also, like, and in contrast to, I mean, I’ve I’ve done coconut a million times, so I’m not gonna belabor that. But, like, think about it in contrast to just did you see the horrible story that Nancy French, David French, his wife shared this week?
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:32

    How that’s they’re trying to see. Yeah. They’re at the swim meet.
  • Speaker 4
    0:14:35

    So terrible.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:35

    And some guy comes up to her and just starts trashing her her David. About how bad of a person he is at a swim meet. Right. Okay. So anyway, I I I share that because, got nothing but love for Nancy and David.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:50

    But also Are
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:51

    you kidding? I missed this completely.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:53

    Yeah. Check it out. It’s on her. And
  • Speaker 4
    0:14:54

    it was, like, right after your diagnosis. The breast cancer diagnosis is basically painful.
  • Speaker 2
    0:14:58

    Yeah. And send
  • Speaker 1
    0:14:59

    her love. This guy in a rocket to to the sun. Exactly. Alright. That’s enough of that.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:05

    Let’s move on. The defeated former president Donald Trump went on Lindell TV, which is absolutely not a Christian nationalist show. It’s
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:14

    my favorite television station.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:17

    And they said
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    0:15:18

    I’m positioning at the, on the highway to hell at the CPU USA thing. You go I go down the escalator, then it’s like boom, Lindell TV right there.
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:27

    It’s just pillow ads all day long.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:32

    When there’s a crash, I hope it’s gonna be during this next twelve months because I don’t want to be Herbert Hoover. I have a couple observations here. First of all, I’m shocked that Donald Trump knows who Herbert Hoover is.
  • Speaker 4
    0:15:44

    That was mine too. I also couldn’t believe it. Somebody must have told him about Herbert because
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:49

    Somebody had to put that in his ear.
  • Speaker 1
    0:15:50

    Right. This is that’s a weird, like, he doesn’t know anything about history.
  • Speaker 2
    0:15:53

    This reminds me of the time when I was on the, I was on the plane with Jabb, And we were talking about anchor babies. And I was just like, you know, fun fact, actually, most of the, you know, folks who come to American have babies birth tourism are for are from Asia. Then, like, and then and then he gets asked about it in the press conference and he shares that fun facts again. And I was like, why did I say that to him on the bear plane? I this feels like that.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:16

    Someone someone was talking to him about Herbert and Uber and it got stuck in the old noggin.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:20

    But I have a question for you guys because I think this is a problem. For for Donald Trump because this I mean, of course, it’s not a problem, but just play along with my bit anyway. Doesn’t this statement implicitly acknowledge that things are very good because if if things can crash, right, they’re they’re
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:37

    up here.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:37

    Well, I
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:41

    And if
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:41

    they can go if they can go down there in the crowd, then then they all appear, aren’t they? Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:46

    Before the crash, Betty talks about how the economy is currently running on the trump fumes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:51

    Oh, is that what it is?
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:52

    Yeah. The fumes
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:53

    still. Oh, okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:16:55

    The fumes of his success were running on.
  • Speaker 1
    0:16:57

    Sarah, this is gonna be like January sixth was Antifa, and also we’re damn proud of it. Right?
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:03

    Yeah. I mean, this is just this is a guy who’s gonna have it both ways. He’s the economy. Well, I think even this I mean, the idea though because that’s not really the point, actually. The the point is different.
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:14

    The point is this is a guy who is rooting for the American automate crash. Because this is the worst human alive. And he just, like, he’s like, there’s gonna be a crash. I just don’t want it to happen. Want to happen now for political reasons.
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:28

    And I hope a lot of people suffer along the way, I guess. Probably people in red states do I don’t like.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:34

    What are what are you’re gonna focus
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    0:17:36

    for people gonna say about this?
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:38

    They’re not gonna hear about it.
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:39

    This is gonna be a thirty second story. This isn’t gonna matter at all.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:43

    I disagree. I disagree with that.
  • Speaker 4
    0:17:45

    Oh, great.
  • Speaker 2
    0:17:46

    I think the Biden campaign is gonna is gonna use this. And I and I think that there’s going to be a a series of quotes like this that that I, again, I don’t know how much they will impact people I I think that they will try to make it part of a broad the broader narrative about Donald Trump only caring about himself. And I do think that’s something that these guys are gonna be very focused on. And it’s gonna be part of the Biden going to red areas and talking about the factories that have been built and the chip sack. And how Donald Trump might say he cares about you, but he only cares about himself.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:21

    And I I don’t where they do that effectively. I do not I cannot say. I I do not predict, but I I do not think this I don’t think it’s a accident that that that was pulled from the Brighton HQ Twitter feed. And it was there was a series of other tweets about this, like about how newt gingrich was on Fox talking about how the Republicans should not do a deal with Biden on immigration because they can’t give biden any wins, you know. And I think that a broader narrative about how the Republicans do not care about anybody, do not care about the country, do not care about the border, do not care about the economy.
  • Speaker 2
    0:18:53

    They’re nihilists and artists, and Biden is actually trying to try to help people. It’s it’s something that they will try to put forward, and I think that Trump gave them a a clip that that will be used in television ads to that effect.
  • Speaker 4
    0:19:08

    Mhmm. I’m not So the main reason is that when I watched that clip, I saw I read first whoever clipped it saying Trump is rooting for the American economy to crash. And so I turned on the clip and the clip is not quite that. It is, when the economy crashes, I hope it crashes in the next twelve months or something. Right?
  • Speaker 4
    0:19:29

    And I was sort of answering questions about JBL thinking about Republican primary voters who would all be like, well, of course, that’s true. Yeah. We we want the bad economy to be undermined. Like, they they would not for one second dispute because they think it’s all Well, this is what a sophisticated political person would say. Like, this is good political thinking.
  • Speaker 1
    0:19:49

    It’s always that’s down. I admit that the economy is good.
  • Speaker 4
    0:19:52

    Yeah. I hear what you’re saying. You’re making a perfectly valid point. I just I I think this is one where, like, we’re spending too much time on what I think in total was twenty seven words, that I I agree with Tim agree with you macro, Jim. I don’t think this clip, is gonna go beyond a Twitter cycle.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:13

    I mean, the deployables was less than twenty seven words. I’m not saying deplorable. So it’s sometimes certain things. Please clap with two words. Sometimes certain things sticking people’s head, you know.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:21

    Forty six percent. What
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:22

    was the wrong?
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:23

    Well, that was long. It’s kinda long. The forty percent that ended up that ended up being distilled to two words. So maybe, yeah, so maybe this can be distilled to Trump is is ready for the economy crash. I don’t know.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:32

    I I think Sarah is is is making interesting point. That is something I that that I am, like, quasi obsessed with, which is how everybody is a political pundit now. You know, this is a quasi new thing. Right? This idea that that is like a normal thing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:20:47

    No, like, yeah, I would like the economy to be bad right now because I want my team to win. That’s like quasi new. I do kinda not
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:53

    That’s true.
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    0:20:54

    You don’t think that’s true.
  • Speaker 1
    0:20:55

    I feel like you’ve been that way I think the nineteen ninety six
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    0:20:59

    campaign, you think the ninety six campaign, the dole people were hoping the Will Saletan economy would crash? I don’t I just don’t I don’t know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:04

    I feel like starting in the two thousands at least, that’s how the world Sure.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:08

    And I think that this is grown. I particularly in the end, particularly in the internet era, for sure. But I don’t know. I I I think that Brian Butler has an interesting media criticism that I just think is worth stating that it’s like, I don’t think that the way that we talk that the media talks about politics has updated to the way that people actually act about politics in real life. You know what I mean?
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:28

    Like, we to do this whole fake, like, oh, they’re a public like, it’s all fake like, it’s all case
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:35

    we have.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:36

    What? We have updated the pool for again.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:38

    We’ve updated
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:39

    how we. Yes. Oh, yeah. That’s what we’re talking about. That’s why we’re talking about this right now.
  • Speaker 2
    0:21:41

    But the act the other media, it’s like, It’s like it would be biased to say the Republicans are rooting for the economy to fail. When it’s like, no, the Republicans are rooting for the economy to fail. That’s just like a That’s not bias. Like, that’s what’s that’s a fact.
  • Speaker 1
    0:21:55

    It’s reality.
  • Speaker 4
    0:21:56

    This is where JBL, I think there’s like a JBL place where he’s right and and a place where I was right always on the economy. Which is that there are people across the political spectrum who feel the pain of the current economy and inflation who talk about it and are just expressing, like, a thing that they experience. And then there’s a group of people that revel in the bad news about the economy and would never tell you that the economy was in a good place because it is important to them politically that it be bad. Right? And that’s why pedophiles are important.
  • Speaker 4
    0:22:27

    That’s why, like, it has to be a catastrophe It has to be a everybody there’s an implicit understanding among the Trump world that Biden’s stuff has to be a catastrophe for Trump to win. And so you’ve gotta constantly be elevating how level, like, the level of of catastrophic that it is. That’s why they say Biden’s a rapist and all this other stuff because you gotta you gotta push it to the place where it’s so bad. Let me just see This idea of the people as pundits, it’s not just that. I mean, Trump’s base.
  • Speaker 4
    0:22:54

    We’ve never seen anything like it, and they are experts on trumpology. Right? They think Trump plays four d chess, and they won in that game too. And so, like, I hear them say That’s why it’s all like antifa false flags. Like, this is a group of people and it’s quite large.
  • Speaker 4
    0:23:12

    It’s like half the republican party is in credit there’s like the part that’s just not paying attention that get dragged along by these forces, right, that I talk about a lot that, like, when we think about whether or not you can persuade them. There’s the other half though, but they’re deep on it. They’re the ones who are super practiced on you’re like, but what about this? And they’re like, oh, well. They’re like, oh, well, trump’s running for the economy to crash.
  • Speaker 4
    0:23:30

    And they’re like, no. He’s not. He just knows that the economy’s bad, and he wants he wants Biden to eat it while he’s there rather than having to eat it when Trump’s president, and he’s gotta deal with sucky economy that Joe Biden gave him. Like, I can I I I can fill in what these voters would say about this in a heartbeat?
  • Speaker 2
    0:23:46

    I think that’s right. I just I was trying to think back to nineteen ninety cause I was alive then. And I was and I’m like, thinking about my father who’s, like, a partisan Republican, but, like, not, you know, not a Fox News watcher. And, like, I think that at that time, in the mid nineties, I know this actually. I can remember having these conversations.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:03

    So it’s like he would be like, oh, Clinton’s taking credit for this economy, but it’s really the Reagan after shocks. Right? Like, that would have been hit. And that was a common, I think, talking point, right, in the nineties, among people in our circles. Right?
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:15

    But I think to go to that next step further from that too. And so I hope the economy crashes this year so that Bob dole can get back in and make things better. Like, that would be an absolutely deranged opinion that I would never have crossed my father’s mind. And that and I can ninety six. And I and I think that that is true still today.
  • Speaker 2
    0:24:35

    There’s some people who, like, do not live and breathe the stuff. But I think the percentage of people for whom Like the team sport element of this is so great that they would they would gladly suffer pain in order to serve the broader goal of the other side suffering pain. I think that that has gotten a lot worse. JV, you don’t agree.
  • Speaker 1
    0:24:53

    Someone’s gonna have to go through the nexus transcripts on this, but I am ninety eight percent positive that this is a sentiment which has recurred, like, every four years. Again, at least since two thousand, maybe since nineteen ninety eight. Believe me, out in out in Republican world in the late nineties, I think some very large proportion of people would have been thrilled to have trade a recession to get rid of Bill Clinton because they hated him so much. They invented conspiracies where
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:22

    sure.
  • Speaker 1
    0:25:22

    He was running a cocaine dealing operation out of an airstrip in Nina, Arkansas, and he had Vince Foster murdered, and
  • Speaker 2
    0:25:30

    to think they had the real Jeffrey Epstein that they could have just been talking about the whole time they’re making up stuff.
  • Speaker 4
    0:25:35

    Totally.
  • Speaker 1
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  • Speaker 1
    0:27:21

    This week. Kevin McCarthy, my Kevin. York Kevin. Our Kevin.
  • Speaker 2
    0:27:26

    He can lead congress and be a straight shooter now.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:29

    A straight shooter and just tell people what he thinks. And so he returned home to get Oh, no. He stayed. He stayed in Washington. He didn’t go back to California.
  • Speaker 1
    0:27:37

    But he he gave his first interview to Aaron Ross Sorkin, and we have a couple clips Sebastian.
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    0:27:43

    The thing I would say that how would he govern Well, I would hope he would even be better than he was before because we watched what he did on policy where the economy was stronger. We didn’t have war in Europe. Our border was secure. I believe at the end of the day when you’re going to a ballot, people are looking at how does it affect them personally? And they’re watching from a gas price That’s the decision they’re gonna make.
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:06

    I believe people get better with ten thousand hours. I also believe people get better when they get humbled And from the aspect, he didn’t win the last election. So there is improvement there hopefully. It also is who gets around you. Look at the tax policy that he was able to create.
  • Speaker 3
    0:28:24

    Look at,
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:25

    aspect of He’s
  • Speaker 4
    0:28:27

    he’s making a pitch for himself to be chief of staff. Right? He he wants a job in the next truck.
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:33

    Ten thousand hours. It’s just a Malcolm glad while it’s a tipping point situation. It’s ten thousand hours practice. I’m just reading
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:40

    some stuff. I hope I hope I hope Malcolm, you feel good to know that Kevin McCarthy read about
  • Speaker 2
    0:28:46

    your book. He didn’t read the book.
  • Speaker 1
    0:28:48

    But he read about your book somewhere, and he figured, oh, I can use this and turn into a trumpest talking point. That’s great. What
  • Speaker 4
    0:28:56

    is that too? It’s like you get You got better at presidenting. Yeah. Rep’s at president It’s
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:01

    like swinging the old golf club, you know. He just the more reps you get, the better the the straighter it’s gonna go down the fairway. I do wonder how that the ten thousand hours theory squares with the January six insurrection behavior. Because you you would think that Trump would have been peaking. At the end of his presidency.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:19

    So ten thousand hours, I went into a little bit of math. I believe that’s four hundred sixteen days. Yeah. And so That means that really Trump should have started getting better by, like, you know, early twenty eighteen. And it it, in fact, seems like things got worse as we went.
  • Speaker 1
    0:29:38

    I I mean, that’s if you’re taking Kevau literally and not seriously. He also then goes on to say it wasn’t in a clip that, you know, a lot of it is personnel and who you’re surround yourself with, and Trump’s really gonna do a great job. Flies in the face of everything we’ve heard so far about Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:29:55

    I got a great personnel anecdote I learned from Bannon, by the way. You’re like this. Like this. When I was there at the TPSA, he was, like, telling me that, you know, one of the names the media doesn’t get is, is Ratcliffe, John Ratcliffe. It’s gonna be in a high security post.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:13

    He’s in the first administration. And I was like, why? I was, I was like, did he not ever speak out against January sixth? He was like, no. He kept his kept things close to his vest, but the thing people don’t know about him is that he’s a he’s a too handicapped.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:25

    Trump likes that likes to have somebody around. It’s as good as he is on the golf course. So this is the kind of like kind of team that he’s gonna put together. I think I think Kevin maybe appreciates that. There’s gonna be some full on insurrectionists, a few white Jonathan Last, the the Mike Secret Podcast, and then I could couple of desperate husbands, like, Kevin McCarthy and a few good golfers.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:46

    Maybe get
  • Speaker 4
    0:30:46

    great moments. Golfers and good golf teams. Yeah. Who’s that? There’s one
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:50

    of the golfers? A team of rivals.
  • Speaker 4
    0:30:51

    Tomorrow, a lago all the time?
  • Speaker 1
    0:30:53

    Yeah. Yeah. Jack Nicholas.
  • Speaker 2
    0:30:55

    Jack Nicholas. Nicholas too. Yes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:01

    What a time to go ahead with your rest? Sarah, do you have any thoughts about my Kevin here and what’s, like, what what’s his angle? I thought, like, doesn’t have to do this anymore. He just make money. And so, like, he doesn’t have to go and do Trump’s shinebox anymore.
  • Speaker 1
    0:31:17

    Right? He could just go out and be a good Republican on corporate boards.
  • Speaker 4
    0:31:22

    You know, Kevin’s not that old, and I think that Kevin or Park thinks trump can win the next and he can be the new Mark Meadows. And I hope he has good lawyers. These guys are so addicted to the power Right? He needs a next act. He’s gotta he doesn’t cleanse his, his legacy and have a next act to do something big.
  • Speaker 4
    0:31:42

    He didn’t trade all this capital for Trump at fifty eight to to not have any not to be in the White House again, not to, you know, not to have some yeah. That’s what he’s doing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:31:54

    And even if it’s just money, this was Ryns. Like, so Ryns left It’s like, why is Wright still doing his monthly hannity circuit? You know, doing China up Trump? And it’s like, well, because the access that he’s selling is to Meg. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:10

    Kevin is not like John Bainer. John Bainer left in good standing among people on both sides and he didn’t go get hired by the people or the crypto people, whoever, and he can go call up his buddy, Steny Hoyer, and they can smoke a sig together, and, like, you know, chat it up, and that brings value. Kevin, as we saw in the votes on the house floor, doesn’t have any valid bipartisan value. Right? Like, the Democrats were happy to throw him overboard.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:34

    They see him as is disgusting, rightly. And so Kevin’s access is tied to the fact that he’s still in the good graces of Trump. So he does stuff to shine, trump, shine back. And I guess he could go not do lobbying. He could go, like, whatever be a hedge fund per or something, you know, find some stupid rich person to give him money, but yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:32:54

    He’s he’s not right.
  • Speaker 2
    0:32:55

    If you want in the game, he’s still, yeah. Yeah. He’s still gotta in good graces. He’s on the big guy.
  • Speaker 4
    0:33:00

    I guess, my yeah. And my guess is is that, right, what does he need to do? He needs to soothe the nerves of donors and corporate interests about how Trump. No, man. You know, you just don’t have to worry about trump.
  • Speaker 4
    0:33:12

    I I got Trump. You know, this is Kevin’s just been peddling this for such a long time. Like, don’t worry about these crazy people. I got him in control. Look what I did with Marjorie Taylor greeting.
  • Speaker 4
    0:33:21

    I brought them you know, to heal by by putting my arm around them and like, don’t worry. I’ll be there to keep a steady hand on this thing for you guys. You big money interests who don’t like the chaos.
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:33

    And it makes he does this after Trump just lets him drown. That’s, again, you know, just one more Republican who Trump destroys their career and their response to that is gotta keep helping him. Gotta keep helping him. Maybe let me back inside.
  • Speaker 4
    0:33:47

    You know, I don’t wanna preempt anything in your your Bannon lore, Tim, but, like, Bannon’s Bannon got hung out to drive so hard by Trump. Right? And he’s
  • Speaker 1
    0:33:55

    been making Papa Steve.
  • Speaker 4
    0:33:56

    Oh, yeah. He still makes this living off of off of just nothing but Trump service.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:01

    Oh, no. I mean, I’m famous gross and pathetic. Too, but I I guess that, like, the Kevin situation is different because it’s, like, there’s something about owning your patheticness. You know, Bannon is just, like, Bannon is like, I’m just swimming with the deplorables in the bog. You know, like, I’m just fucking down here in the bog and I smell like them and these are my people and, like, I’m going to, you know, whatever.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:25

    If I have to just put on this shitting grin and pretend that I think that the dominion voting machines are broken to have, m, m, m, Michael, keep giving me money. I’ll do it because this is my this is my shtick, and I’ve got a couple things I really believe in that I’m gonna, you know, fight for and push for. And and then just like a big WWE power game where I can dominate the Kevin’s of the world. It’s like, I I they’re both pathetic in that sense. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:34:49

    And they’re both faking it. You have to be as trump to to have any power. But the Kevin thing is just like stands out in its patheticness, but because of the way that he just got Like, he just gets overthrown and and and that and he has to continue to fake it and be just this husk of a human. Who, like, goes and makes the rounds in New York and pretends like everything is okay after he was just, you know, like, completely embarrassed and stripped naked in front of the whole world. I kinda, like, that’s pretty
  • Speaker 4
    0:35:21

    pretty bad.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:22

    Do you
  • Speaker 4
    0:35:22

    think that like Kevin and Elise? And, like, that there’s, like, a group of them that get together as, like, a, like, a sympathy group or, like, one of those where they get together to all. Oh, you can’t trust each other.
  • Speaker 1
    0:35:34

    No. They must hate each other.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:36

    Yeah. No trust. Well, I mean, maybe Kevin has a couple buddies, like him and Jeff Miller, whoever get drinks together, but, like, him and Elise, I mean, they how how like, he if I was coming, I’d be worried that Elise is taping me. Who who taped him? Who like, literally, who taped him and sent the tape to to Jonathan Martin for the last book.
  • Speaker 2
    0:35:54

    I was the last thing that we didn’t play in that clip. Like Andrew O’ Sorkin was was telling Kevin, like, you know, re replaying him back as January two thousand twenty one. Statements about how we need to move on from Trump and that we’re taped and leaked. And and and Kevin’s like, god, I don’t remember saying that. Okay.
  • Speaker 2
    0:36:10

    I think we can take some pleasure in knowing that they don’t actually have a support group. I don’t think for this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:18

    Alright. Final topic. Today down at the DC Circuit Court, a three judge panel held a hearing on the Trump claim of total immunity, which I think sounds like, like, the Steve Carell, I declare bankruptcy, from from the office. During the course of this, judge Florence Pam, This is amazing. Asked, Trump’s lawyer, could a president order seal team six to assassinate a political rival?
  • Speaker 1
    0:36:52

    And Trump’s lawyer, De John Sauer, said, well, you know, I mean, he’d have to be impeached from of course, he’d be impeached removed for And then then, you know, they could do it. And and she was like, no, I didn’t ask about impeachment removal. Just pretend there’s no impeachment removal. Could could a president do this? And he was like, what?
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:12

    Qualified yes. It’s an amazing amazing exchange. His qualified yes was was a qualified no to her question because they went on back and forth a little bit more. But basically could not bring himself because the logic of Trump’s position is. Yes.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:32

    The president can do whatever the president wants to do, then they they can’t just say, no. No. Joe Biden could not have seal team six just assassinate Donald Trump. And, you know, and and be be loosey goosey and and trouble free afterwards. But But they don’t know how to, like, fully say that out loud like this.
  • Speaker 1
    0:37:54

    It’s an amazing amazing
  • Speaker 4
    0:37:56

    Have you guys ever seen Frost Nixon?
  • Speaker 2
    0:37:58

    Mhmm. Yes.
  • Speaker 4
    0:37:59

    The movie about okay. So in Frost Nixon, like, the Denmont, like, the thing that happens is where, frost gets Nixon to say No. I’m saying that when it’s not illegal when the president does it. And this was like the stunning admission in the movie. Right?
  • Speaker 4
    0:38:16

    This is like, He gets him to say that he doesn’t believe the president can be held accountable for anything. And this is now just like the casual position of Donald Trump.
  • Speaker 2
    0:38:26

    That way he should be able
  • Speaker 4
    0:38:27

    to do whatever he wants, with total immunity and they’re in court trying to argue it. And it’s one of those things You know, I did this legal podcast. It was in the T and L feed with George. George Conway because I oftentimes find myself, like, trying to figure out, like, untangle all the different legal things. This one’s like an easy one.
  • Speaker 4
    0:38:50

    Maybe I’ll do one with George, but on on this immunity thing, but, like, This is just them being like, no. If he’s president, nothing he can do is illegal, including murdering Star,
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:01

    they just let you do it. Sarah. Yeah. I would say this is the access Hollywood interpretation of presidential authority. Right?
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:09

    This is the You’re
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:09

    a president. I want you to do it. I’m an observation, and I just in case that the NSC or anybody is listening, I’m not calling for this, and and I’m not rooting for it in any way. But, By this definition, Joe Mine could kill Donald Trump right now if thirty four senators. We’re okay with it.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:28

    Like that’s like that is the stated legal position of Donald Trump that he could be killed by Joe Biden with no repercussions as long as thirty four Democratic senators did not impeach and convict Joe Biden for the for the extrajudicial killing. So I just think that’s something to sit with because Yeah.
  • Speaker 1
    0:39:45

    Or Tim, Joe Biden could kill Trump and enough senators so that he couldn’t be removed from office because they wouldn’t be able to have quorums.
  • Speaker 2
    0:39:54

    Could start killing So now we’re really at, galaxy brading this whole thing. But I I just I think that it’s interesting. It’s another example of them revealing that they don’t even actually really believe But they’re saying about the deep state. Right? Like all of this deep state nonsense, oh, they’ve been targeting us, so they’re out to get so do whatever.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:21

    It’s like the deep state hadn’t done anything. K. The deep state hadn’t done anything, and maybe the deep state should be doing more to, target Donald Trump, not not judicial killings, obviously. But I think they’ve done a horrible job at all of this. Like everything is everything is you know, yielded nothing.
  • Speaker 2
    0:40:39

    Donald Trump became president anyway. And, like, if they were really concerned, that the deep state was targeting him in a real way, then they would not want to be advocating for presidential immunity for presidents. Right? Like if if Joe Biden was really masterminding, the Biden crime family was really masterminding in a legal plot against Donald Trump. Why would they want immunity for presidents?
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:03

    They would want to hold the head of this crime family accountable so that he would be locked up, but they don’t actually care about that. They don’t because they don’t believe that it’s true.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:11

    But Tim, what Biden is doing then as the head of the crime family in his persecution of Donald Trump Yeah. Is actually legal.
  • Speaker 2
    0:41:21

    Is legal. Right.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:23

    And so what’s the complaint? I don’t understand. If everything Trump has done is perfectly legal in kosher, then how is it that Joe Biden is unf fairly and criminally targeted. That doesn’t but again, this is like, you know, the economy is terrible and also it’s about to crash. The the January sixth, well, there was nothing happened there, except for some great patriots came and took a tour and also it was BLM and Antifa and the FBI agents setting us all up.
  • Speaker 1
    0:41:56

    It’s all both of these things and either None of these people really believe it, so they’re just all nihilists or they’re Yes. Forcing that one morons. Oh, and just They’re mostly a. Idiots.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:11

    Yeah. I don’t know if that’s necessarily an either or. There’s an end in there for sure. But Well, at
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:16

    the rank and file, though.
  • Speaker 2
    0:42:17

    It’s mostly the beginning. There’s no genuine belief in any of this. Right? There’s no genuine belief that any of this wrong. There is just convenient argument for for the moment.
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:26

    I I wanna know from Sarah. Do you think that’s true at the level of, like, actual voters?
  • Speaker 4
    0:42:31

    Do you think they don’t believe any
  • Speaker 1
    0:42:32

    of this stuff?
  • Speaker 4
    0:42:33

    I think that they believe certain things with evidence and conviction. And then I think there’s a whole bunch of other things that they just don’t understand well enough and they can be persuaded at any given moment about. And this is where I think the Republicans, then by Republicans, I really mean sort of a right wing infotainment media does a really good job. Of locking in on an excuse or a rationalization for everything. And that’s why there’s not a linear consistency for people because These people are so much less ideological than conservatives used to be.
  • Speaker 4
    0:43:03

    Right? So there used to be an intellectual free line in terms of what people believed, and so you were trying to stay consistent with that. Now you’re just trying to stay assistant with Trump. And so there’s and there’s a whole ecosystem dedicated to helping you, normie, not not normie, but you, Trump lover, to understand how to push back against any perceived inconsistency. Right?
  • Speaker 4
    0:43:23

    And that’s why you would say something is different in this case or you know, Donald Trump. This is just the, you know, this is why if you the the DOJ is out to get him. Okay. Well, what do you think about them? Prosecuting hunter biden.
  • Speaker 4
    0:43:36

    Well, it’s just an example of how guilty hunter biden is that they have to do this. That does I mean, like, that’s what I mean is that they don’t they’re not looking for a logical consistency.
  • Speaker 2
    0:43:44

    Can I give one more example of this, a concerted infotainment that’s also a little tease for, our Sunday show this week? I want one to do Epstein. It’s like we’ve done no Epstein on this podcast and we have all this breaking news on Epstein. And so I’ve been kind of going back and reading all of this and kinda getting prepared for, to do a Sunday thing about Epstein. And, like, the funny thing at fun funny is not the right word, but, like, there there’s no reason why, like, Epstein killed himself conspiracy should necessarily code right as a right wing conspiracy?
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:13

    I mean, when Epstein died, like the the person that gave him the easy deal, The the sweetheart deal was Alex Acosta, Trump cabinet member. The attorney general was Bill Barr, who had been in a law firm some of, with some of Epstein’s lawyers, and the president was Donald Trump who’d hung out with Epstein. Yeah. Okay. So that’s, like, I I’m not saying that Donald Trump killed Epstein, but, like, that’s a set that in some world, you could look at that and say, oh, man.
  • Speaker 2
    0:44:40

    Sure. Sure seems like Donald Trump was covering up some sex crimes. But from, you know, from people on his side, but yeah, to the somehow the conservative infotainment media is able to just kind of wash that stuff away so much and just be like, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, like, Pizzagate, LibSucks trafficking pedophiles, Epstein killed himself deep state. And and like all of a sudden it’s like, oh, this is the Democrats that are behind this. And it’s like, well, how are the Democrats behind this?
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:07

    Donald Trump was president. Bill Barr was the attorney general Like, you know, and so I I that’s just another example of this where, like, the details don’t really have to matter.
  • Speaker 4
    0:45:16

    That’s because there’s asymmetric shamelessness. Right? So the Democrats recognize that Will Saletan, is probably this is like they don’t go
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:25

    hard with
  • Speaker 4
    0:45:26

    Donald Trump. Right? Yeah. There’s, like, they they’re, like, ugh. Little Clinton might have been a bad guy here.
  • Speaker 4
    0:45:32

    And so they do they perform differently than Republicans who were, like, Who cares about Trump? Like, we gotta just make it about Clinton. You just gotta say all these other things over and over again. And that’s, yeah, there’s asymmetricians. Yeah.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:42

    It’s like the Fox headline. That was, like, the new leak from the Epstein things. They’re like, listed all these names, and I was like, Trump’s name wasn’t in there. She’s like, really got it. It’s like David Copperfield, Stephen Hawking, Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew.
  • Speaker 2
    0:45:55

    It’s like, was there any other big names that were mentioned? Anyway,
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:00

    the people are the worst. Alright. Guys, good show, exceedingly long show. We gotta get out of here. Stating more Excellent stuff.
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:09

    We’re gonna be doing special show Monday.
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:11

    Next time we talk, we’re gonna know.
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:12

    Show Tuesday. We will finally find out what the people say the people are gonna use their voice.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:21

    This show is live. You have to we have to tell them this show is live. Next Tuesday in
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:27

    the morning. Live show next Tuesday morning.
  • Speaker 2
    0:46:29

    Keep an eye out for that on our Twitter feeds. We’ll be telling you when.
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:32

    Can I tell you that doing this show with George which I think we’re gonna do some more of though? Help me understand what it’s like to be Tim Miller because there’s like a number of comments that are just like let George talk because I was, like, interrupting him to be, like, can you explain what you just said or, like, let me recap this. And everyone’s just, like, don’t just let him talk. George is a genius. I don’t even I was like, okay.
  • Speaker 4
    0:46:55

    You know?
  • Speaker 1
    0:46:55

    It’s like you’re saying sexism. As somebody whose job is to sit back and not talk and ask questions, your interrupting questions for for George were perfectly placed. And you made that show flow really, really well. I actually meant to say this to you on Slack. You did a masterful job on on that interview.
  • Speaker 4
    0:47:16

    Oh, thanks, dude. Appreciate it. Well, you know, not all the YouTube commenters thought so.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:22

    Yeah. Well, see, I I actually appreciate
  • Speaker 4
    0:47:24

    you watching
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:24

    all of your all of your content era. Would you like my newsletter today, by the way? Guys. Yes. See you next week.
  • Speaker 1
    0:47:31

    Bye.
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